Starmer is a lying rat/Corbyn was chuffing useless - discuss

HarryVegas said:
Voted for both. Corbyn was naive, as was I, in thinking this country's establishment would ever allow a socialist to assume power in Downing Street. I then voted for Starmer who will win the next election, but I've left the party because of him.
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I feel the same way i can only hope starmer gets such a large majority he can't control his back benchers and maybe he will get ousted one day.
 
Voted for Corbyn, will vote for Starmer.
Don’t particularly like either, but I’ve no doubt Corbyn is a well meaning decent man. He just wasn’t suited to politics at the top and didn’t really help himself in the face of a vicious, disgraceful RW media onslaught.
Starmer. Urgh. Urggggghhhhhh.
Promises so little and offers even less.
But I will obviously hold my nose and vote for his Labour in the vain, naive and desperate hope that he will head leftwards once in power and free of the ‘carrying a ming vase across an ice rink’ strategy that he is applying to reduce any ammo for the RW media.
It’s pretty soul destroying.

* IF somebody else offers a better chance of unseating the Tories where I live, then they will get my vote instead of Labour (…so long as it’s not reform).
Sad it won’t be the Greens.
 
FabioPorkpie said:
Voted for Corbyn, will vote for Starmer.
Don’t particularly like either, but I’ve no doubt Corbyn is a well meaning decent man. He just wasn’t suited to politics at the top and didn’t really help himself in the face of a vicious, disgraceful RW media onslaught.
Starmer. Urgh. Urggggghhhhhh.
Promises so little and offers even less.
But I will obviously hold my nose and vote for his Labour in the vain, naive and desperate hope that he will head leftwards once in power and free of the ‘carrying a ming vase across an ice rink’ strategy that he is applying to reduce any ammo for the RW media.
It’s pretty soul destroying.

* IF somebody else offers a better chance of unseating the Tories where I live, then they will get my vote instead of Labour (…so long as it’s not reform).
Sad it won’t be the Greens.
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Me exactly. I'll vote for Starmer because no one else has a hope in hell of getting this shower out.
 
NoloBoro said:
I like Corbyn, cannot understand the vitriol towards him, perhaps someone can explain?
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It's pretty obvious really.

A bunch of largely middle-class centrists blame Corbyn for Brexit - despite both his constituency and his Labour party members voting massively in favour of Remain.
They blame him for two election defeats despite having the full force of the British media thrown at him and having no support from his own Parliamentary Party (MPs).
They also claim that he should have stood down after a vote of no confidence because that's the democratic thing to do but don't care that the PLP ignored the democratic wishes of the membership (twice).
They will claim he was a terrible leader but won't define what they think good leadership qualities are.
They will claim he's a poor politician despite being returned to the same constituency seat for over 35 years (10 elections).
They think his track record of attempting to broker peace in various theatres and his protests against e.g. apartheid South Africa make him an unsuitable candidate for Labour leader as it gave the media ammunition to use against him.
And he looked scruffy once when he was on his allotment.

Essentially they prefer someone who looks like a middle-manager at an IT conglomerate who has never done anything remotely left-wing, so there's nothing the press can point at. A knighthood and membership of some elite bodies also helps to show he's really one of the people. And the middle name Rodney as they all loved Only Fools and Horses back in the day.
 
festa5 said:
Here you go lads, knock yourselves out.

Wasn't that hard was it? 😜
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Corbyn is a well-meaning backbench protester type, heart in exactly the right place with many good, if relatively radical ideas, but his naivety leaves a sour taste in far too many people’s mouths.

Starmer is a serious, highly competent person and politician who is currently 27 points ahead of the Tories in opinion polls.

I have to ask three questions of everyone who’s commented so far:

(1) How difficult is it for a Labour PM to win a majority in UK (there’s been 3 Labour PMs elected with a majority since 1945 - Atlee, Wilson, Blair; Brown was unelected and Callaghan was a minority gov)

(2) Has Starmer been in power yet so are you judging him on his actions y/n

(3) Do you think life will be better under a Labour government or a Conservative government? See question 1.
 
Scrote said:
It's pretty obvious really.

A bunch of largely middle-class centrists blame Corbyn for Brexit - despite both his constituency and his Labour party members voting massively in favour of Remain.
They blame him for two election defeats despite having the full force of the British media thrown at him and having no support from his own Parliamentary Party (MPs).
They also claim that he should have stood down after a vote of no confidence because that's the democratic thing to do but don't care that the PLP ignored the democratic wishes of the membership (twice).
They will claim he was a terrible leader but won't define what they think good leadership qualities are.
They will claim he's a poor politician despite being returned to the same constituency seat for over 35 years (10 elections).
They think his track record of attempting to broker peace in various theatres and his protests against e.g. apartheid South Africa make him an unsuitable candidate for Labour leader as it gave the media ammunition to use against him.
And he looked scruffy once when he was on his allotment.

Essentially they prefer someone who looks like a middle-manager at an IT conglomerate who has never done anything remotely left-wing, so there's nothing the press can point at. A knighthood and membership of some elite bodies also helps to show he's really one of the people. And the middle name Rodney as they all loved Only Fools and Horses back in the day.
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I’ve not heard 1 person blame Brexit on Corbyn.
Lots of other generalisations in your observations too.

Both prob decent people trying to get elected.
Both have prob got principles and, in the face of media scrutiny compromised.
Don’t know how JC would have led the country.
Hopefully we will find out with KS - then we judge.
 
We get the labour leader the right wing media allow us to have, its how it works.the country cant afford labour, loony left running labour , labour are a threat to national security etc etc
Iam hoping starmer is playing the long game by removing those sticks to beat labour with, hopefully once in power with a strong majority he can at least implement some progressive polices knowing that they cant change government for a minimum of 5 years.
 
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