newyddion
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Raises the profile of the north east.. success in the area is better than failure.
Absolutely dreading Newcastle winning something
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Funky_Chicken
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No it raises Newcastles’ profile, not ours, or any other club in the region - in fact I’d argue it lowers our profile even further. For example say we get back to the premier league, in the past when we were in the same league as them we could quite reasonably be expected to compete for a player maybe Newcastle were interested and get him here, now there’d be almost zero chance of that
Glover_elbow
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It doesn't do a jot for teesside or Boro. What the hell does the expression "raise the profile" mean in practical terms it just sounds like marketing bull
Glover_elbow
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Spot on even if we got promoted they are a juggernaut with their blood money backing compared to us. How the hell can that be anything to celebrate
newyddion
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Man City might compete and that’s about it I would think.
Make people outside of the North East realise that the country doesn’t stop at Manchester. more interest, more column inches, more on the map. The switchers fans supporting Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal.. well next Xmas they will probably pick a black and white shirt to wear for their next casual Friday to make them look less dull.
newyddion
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Not celebrate as such, but where there was once a Chelsea or Spurs shirt.. there might be a Newcastle shirt. Chelsea money, Man City money.. now Newcastle money.
Did any of those clubs being successful impact on us in anyway?
Glover_elbow
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It's beyond illogical
newyddion
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Success for the north east is success for the north east.
I can see how some would think more money into the north west would be better for us.. if that meant less money for our immediate neighbours.
Better to see southern teams do well.. so we don’t look as far off from Newcastle?
newyddion
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Surely Bernie has already tried?Could always write a letter to Mohammed Al Fayed, try convince him it will get him British citizenship if he buys the Boro.
Cosmonaut
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Doesn't bother me at all what the Toon lot wins. In fact, wish it were us who were currently enjoying being 3rd in the PL, and given the weird form of the usual top-four lot this season, I think there's a genuine chance they could finish top-four and achieve CL football at the first shot with Eddie Howe, who was probably their fourth/fifth choice manager at the time they were looking.
He's done a brilliant job, IMO. To think I was bringing his name up not so long back just before we appointed CW, seems a joke now
... it was then, anyway.
But however Eddie Howe goes on to achieve, I think MC is doing a great job here as well, and hopefully is the man to get us back into the PL. I look forward to beating the Toon Army at the Riverside when we face them.
I keep thinking back to the way we beat Norwich at the weekend, it was brilliant to watch, he is getting a lot more out of this side than I expected, and find it reassuring as we go into the World Cup, the players can spend a lot of time with MC and be even more prepared to try keep this form up we're in.
This season may not be the write-off it appeared before MC was confirmed. That was a fantastic return of points from mostly away fixtures and hugely impressed, so far.
Loving seeing the confidence flow back into the likes of McGree, Jones, and Fry .. all crucial core of players. The emergence of Hackney, who has taken to this level like a duck to water, so far. Brilliant. The lot of them have been great. Just a bit gutted for Steffen that he didn't get his WC place.
He's done a brilliant job, IMO. To think I was bringing his name up not so long back just before we appointed CW, seems a joke now
... it was then, anyway. But however Eddie Howe goes on to achieve, I think MC is doing a great job here as well, and hopefully is the man to get us back into the PL. I look forward to beating the Toon Army at the Riverside when we face them
. I keep thinking back to the way we beat Norwich at the weekend, it was brilliant to watch, he is getting a lot more out of this side than I expected, and find it reassuring as we go into the World Cup, the players can spend a lot of time with MC and be even more prepared to try keep this form up we're in.
This season may not be the write-off it appeared before MC was confirmed. That was a fantastic return of points from mostly away fixtures and hugely impressed, so far.
Loving seeing the confidence flow back into the likes of McGree, Jones, and Fry .. all crucial core of players. The emergence of Hackney, who has taken to this level like a duck to water, so far. Brilliant. The lot of them have been great. Just a bit gutted for Steffen that he didn't get his WC place.
Glover_elbow
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This bull about being good for the northeast like all trickle down theories where the notion a postive outcome on a dominant force has a trickle down effect on neighbouring groups is absolute nonsense.
newyddion
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More money into the north east means more money into the north east. Less money.. means it goes elsewhere.
If you’re neighbour buys a flash car and builds an extension.. you don’t end up with less cars on your driveway. Your previously fly whip may look a little tarnished in comparison, your car will eventually be worth less over time.. but that wont be because of your neighbour. Your house might be worth a bit more tho!
It’s not trickle down economics.. that money doesn’t come out of our pockets.
muniz
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well their squad clearly needed it after spending next to nothing under ashley, what you expect them to do lol
would you expect us to not do the same under the same conditions lol, they are running under the same FFP rules as the rest of the teams, so their spending is in line with everyone elses, if not then they will be eventually punished for it
muniz
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well I would imagine they are going to sort their academies out and start mass buying young players like the other big clubs do, then their off casts or successes that arnt ready are more likely to go out on loan to nearby teams than further a field
dont think that is nonsense
Marvanelli
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Under Ashley
In Aug 2021 they spent £30m whilst bringing in £0 - Net spend of £30m
In 2020/21 they spent £39m whilst bringing in £275k - Net spend of £38.75m
In 2019/20 they spent £72m whilst bringing in £35m - Net spend of £37m
Their net spend over the 2.5 seasons prior to him leaving they shelled out over £100m. Yes, that's not a huge deal of money when looking at the spending power of the likes of Utd/Chelsea/City/Liverpool etc, however it's far greater than 'next to nothing'.
Yet the moment the Saudi's came in, they spent £130m in January 2022 (no money came in from transfer sales), then in the summer of 2022 they spent £136m whilst recouping nothing in transfer sales. So in 2 transfer windows since the Saudi's bought them, they've blasted over £260m on transfers. No other club in the league has spent more than them (net spend) since January 2022.
Eddie Howe has done a decent job, but my goodness, the £260m spending power hasn't half helped!
Their squad can be seen to be quite different to what it was when he took over from Bruce....and that was 12 months ago.
Only Longstaff, Joelington, Willock & Callum Wilson were in the same 11 as Bruce's last game in charge (3-2 defeat at home to Spurs), compared to Eddie Howe's last game in charge (1-0 win at home to Chelsea last week).
Their whole back 5 is completely different.
muniz
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give over 100m over 3 seasons is terrible for the premier league.
they were the drizzling ***** under Steve Bruce, the team clearly needed a massive rebuild, I don't get why you think that anyone taking over that team shouldn't invest hard and completely overall it, they were constantly trying to scrimp by without spending much so Ashely could reduce the clubs debts to make them more attractive to buy, and he done this every year and was why the club was held back so much.. Plenty of other clubs take on full team worth of new players into their squads in transfer windows, didn't we just pull in around a dozen or so new players to our team this season?
if they want to try and maintain pushing for the champions league, its going to take around 150m per year, that's just the way the premier league is.
if you don't spend it the other teams in the top half will and they will over take you, look at Liverpool this season
Newcastle have the same FFP rules as everyone else in that league, they are taking advantage of them 3 years of spending next to nothing for the premier league.
any owner who took them over would probably have spent similar money because that's what they needed, club needed money throwing at it all over, more than just players on the pitch etc.
I'm no fan of Newcastle but think in this day and age its petty to just put clubs success down to clubs spending money, when in reality if you don't spend that money you cant be anywhere near as competitive as the top end of the table, that's just a fact of this league, bar the occasional exception to the rule that out performs everyone's expectations but they are few and far between.
what would be the point of taking them over and then carrying on as mike Ashley had been doing for years, your not going to get very far with your investment, looks to me like they have invested the transfer funds really well and could be setting themselves up for greater things under Howe, I think he's done a great job.
Sure he's had a load of money but lots of other clubs he is competing with have also spent way more of their FFP allowances % than they have. But money does not buy success, quite often it can create problems that wouldn't occur without the money, look at Everton when they tried to invest hard and fast and nearly went down.
it's daft being bitter over rivals doing well, just let them get on with it, no point in obsessing over things outside of your control. they have loads of money, we don't, it don't really bother me what others are doing just what we are doing, let them concentrate on the premier league and us concentrate on what we are doing.
they will no doubt win something eventually and if they do it won't bother me, let them enjoy it and get on with it, and hopefully one day we meet up along the way and hopefully show them up lol
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Glover_elbow
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I look forward to them swallowing up all the young talent in the north east that's going to be great for us
newyddion
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How to Man Utd still have top youth talent with Man City? Liverpool too