YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!

Chris_Boro said:
Hmm dilemma. So you're saying Labour have difficult and undesirable choices to make in appealing to the working class?

So placing the tax burden on those with the broadest shoulders is a difficult, undesirable choice?

Or funding public services that the working class rely on is a difficult, undesirable choice?

Or on a more basic level, not giving billions away in tax payers money to their mates with no competition is a difficult, undesirable choice.

Unless you mean due to 12 years of Tory economic incompetence and corruption Labour will face a dilemma in how to pay for anything?

Labour will have difficult and undesirable choices to make when in power and all because the Tories have raided the treasury to enrich themselves, their families and their mates while destroying politics in the country to cover it.
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Great post. Where’s exile or is he in exile 🤣
 
exiledinboro said:
Fabio not everyone is like you and posts on all the hater threads

Politics should be about what you believe in whereas all your posts are about what you hate 🤷🏻‍♂️
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To be fair, if you don’t have a healthy dislike of this current Government and you choose to repeatedly post thinly veiled attacks of the opposition, even trying to blame them and their leadership of more than 15 years ago for todays issues, rather than highlight the incompetence, corruption, lies, hardships imposed on us all etc by this Government, then that says more about you than me.

I do understand why you’d label anything highlighting the gross incompetence and lack of Governance of this current Tory party as ‘hater threads‘ though. Those poor Tories and their voters, the victims in all this.
Must be hard work being a Tory shill at the moment.
 
If this kind of lead holds until January when the rest of the energy prices kick in. Together with what will have been a ‘difficult’ Christmas for a lot of of people…IT will hit the fan.
When people can’t feed and keep themselves, and their kids warm…it could really kick off
 
Laughing said:
But ironically, exactly what the country needs right now. A pragmatic, not ideological approach.
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TBH I don't agree. The country would be best served by an ideologically left wing person to drag us back after 4 decades of racing right.

Starmer pragmatic :unsure: That's one way of looking at it I suppose. I see him as quite self serving and easily controlled by the media and his opponents. Maybe that won't be the case if/when he's in number 10, who knows? I really doubt there'll be any big changes to the country under him though sadly. A few years of moderate centrist austerity until the tories repair their brand and come back in to make life worse for as many as they can.
 
SuperStu said:
TBH I don't agree. The country would be best served by an ideologically left wing person to drag us back after 4 decades of racing right.

Starmer pragmatic :unsure: That's one way of looking at it I suppose. I see him as quite self serving and easily controlled by the media and his opponents. Maybe that won't be the case if/when he's in number 10, who knows? I really doubt there'll be any big changes to the country under him though sadly. A few years of moderate centrist austerity until the tories repair their brand and come back in to make life worse for as many as they can.
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except they wouldn't win an election. The UK doesn't need ideology right now. It requires practical solution that protect the vulnerable.

Starmer, easily controlled? Hmm.. For example?
 
SuperStu said:
TBH I don't agree. The country would be best served by an ideologically left wing person to drag us back after 4 decades of racing right.
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that isn't going to happen though, the country will not get behind that. so the pragmatic not ideological leader is the right type to get in. Starmer, might be a bit uninspiring, might be centrist, but thats a long way left of where we sit today, it's adult politics, it's something that is both good for the common man, while also being electable
 
SuperStu said:
Starmer pragmatic :unsure: That's one way of looking at it I suppose. I see him as quite self serving and easily controlled by the media and his opponents. Maybe that won't be the case if/when he's in number 10, who knows?
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Examples...

SuperStu said:
A few years of moderate centrist austerity until the tories repair their brand and come back in to make life worse for as many as they can.
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centrism isn't going to go for austerity, it's going to go for affordable repairs. IF you think bringing in a Corbyn type is going to work then you're not thinking it through. Corbyn politics would need funding, heavily, and in a damaged economy with massive debt that isn't feasible. He would build huge debt because he wouldn't be able to fund his radical policies, and then our credit rating would plunge and that debt would be crippling.

The tories would then play the Labour are fiscally irresponsible card and get back in.
 
Laughing said:
except they wouldn't win an election.
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BoroMart said:
that isn't going to happen though, the country will not get behind that
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That's a different thing though. The point I was responding to was whether a wishy-washy centrist is 'exactly what the country needs right now' not who's most likely to win an election.

By that logic Boris was exactly what the country needed last time round! :ROFLMAO: Again, not in my opinion...
 
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SuperStu said:
That's a different thing though. The point I was responding to was whether a wishy-washy centrist is 'exactly what the country needs right now' not who's most likely to win an election.
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I think that is exactly the point though, most of the country wants generally to move left but not all the way left, so if that's what the country wants then someone like Starmer is what is needed to acheive that. He isn't what some people want, because they want something harder to the left. Reality is though, that person won't get in.

Boris, the majority of the country didn't want to move more right, it was about 42%. So that isn't the appropriate coparison.
 
SuperStu said:
That's a different thing though. The point I was responding to was whether a wishy-washy centrist is 'exactly what the country needs right now' not who's most likely to win an election.

By that logic Boris was exactly what the country needed last time round! :ROFLMAO: Again, not in my opinion...
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Any argument using Boris is moot, to be honest.

He doesn't have an ideology other than whatever is best for Boris.

Somebody with Corbyn's ideology could walk into Boris' No. 10 office and if he convinced him that Corbyn policies were best for Boris, that would be what we get.
 
exiledinboro said:
While Starmer has been in charge for Labour the Tories were ahead in the polls up until Dec 2021 which is the equivalent of 20 months.

Party gate coincided with the change in polls and Labour have been ahead for 10 and a bit months

The polls are already starting to narrow and Sunak needs to get about a 1% poll lead per month to gain parity in the polls in time for the next election

He’s managing to cut it by about 5 to 10 points (depending on the poll) already in 2 weeks

My guess is he’s going to be a very low key prime minister who’s polling will rise. I’m tempted to hold off until his announcement in 2 weeks but let’s see

Now if you think Starmer should continue to have a low profile and hold off on policies that’s fine, we will find out in a few years if that was the correct thing to do
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Starmer, low profile? Are you sure about that? There is a vote in parliament tomorrow on maintaining the tripe lock on pensions. It has been done specifically to force tory MP's to nail their colours to the mast, instead of waiting for the entire budget where MP's can hide behind parts of that budget.

Starmer is many things, and I don't particularly like him, but without him Johnson would have lasted longer, as would have truss.

On polling.. You really are misinterpreting them and their direction of travel. Sunaks starting position from the initial bounce, should be where Truss started from. The fact he hasn't managed to do that and the impact of his budget suggests your talking nonsense around polling.
 
exiledinboro said:
While Starmer has been in charge for Labour the Tories were ahead in the polls up until Dec 2021 which is the equivalent of 20 months.

Party gate coincided with the change in polls and Labour have been ahead for 10 and a bit months

The polls are already starting to narrow and Sunak needs to get about a 1% poll lead per month to gain parity in the polls in time for the next election

He’s managing to cut it by about 5 to 10 points (depending on the poll) already in 2 weeks

My guess is he’s going to be a very low key prime minister who’s polling will rise. I’m tempted to hold off until his announcement in 2 weeks but let’s see

Now if you think Starmer should continue to have a low profile and hold off on policies that’s fine, we will find out in a few years if that was the correct thing to do
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Sunak hasn't done anything to the polls, the polls returned some of the numbers that Truss lost. Since then it's been flat.

All Sunak has done is reverse everything Truss did and since then managed to U-turn a ridiculous number of times and cause more division in his party by appointing Braverman & Williamson.

It's far more likely that the Tories will continue to rip themselves to bits than claw back any kind of poll numbers, especially if the current budget predictions are to be believed.
 
An initial bounce was always to be expected. For me, Labour need to continue with some solid policy pledges over the next couple of years (those announced at conference seemed well receive) but they could also do with some muck ready to throw as and when needed.

Whilst things may have calmed down initially, I think we've got a very dirty fight ahead.
 
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