Boro Fan - 3 Year Ban

festa5 said:
A few people commenting seem to be missing this point or haven't read the articles properly. This isn't making hand gestures across the stands or calling the opposition keeper a fat b****d.

This is groups of aggressive men (presumably) shouting and goading each other in the street. It's one step away from becoming a physical confrontation and might well have been if police weren't there. Only takes a couple of idiots.

If you think that's acceptable, particularly given there'll almost certainly have been families and young children walking past, there's something wrong with you.

And you would obviously be as likely to be charged with a public order offence if you did that sort of thing well away from a football match too.
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I’ve seen Cardiff fans come to our place with the intention of intimidating boro fans with threats of violence. A banner reading Cardiff City Soul Crew Kick to Kill.. perfectly acceptable according to many on here. No hand gestures see.

The actions of our fans Lord Byron singing derogatory comments and one fan in particular who used very aggressive language resulted in the quieting down and dropping the banner. Fair and reasonable to my mind and totally appropriate given the setting and surroundings.
 
whats next opposing fans being arrested for making gestures, chants, or banners against the saudi regime at newcastle on the grounds its anti social or a public order offence , because it might just spark some numbskull Geordies, into fighting with away supporters because they are upset.
 
Glover_elbow said:
if you want rid of tribalism in football you may as well watch golf or the snooker.
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I started going just before the Ayresome Angels and long before it became fashionable to have a go at the opposition. The atmosphere was as good, if not better, back then but that was down to the style of football played. Don't get the noise made by a minority of the crowd mistaken for atmosphere, it's completely different.
 
Glover_elbow said:
whats next opposing fans being arrested for making gestures, chants, or banners against the saudi regime at newcastle on the grounds its anti social or a public order offence , because it might just spark some numbskull Geordies, into fighting with away supporters because they are upset.
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distorting the context
 
I struggle to see how people cannot see this as a pure exercise in making people sit up and take notice of the fact that the club, police and courts will not accept this sort of behaviour before, during or after any match.

Yes in isolation of course it is heavy handed to issue a 3 year banning order for some of the offences that have been reported but what is supposed to happen? They are allowed to get away with so that next time Derby, Leeds or Sunderland come here the same thing happens again. Maybe, just maybe, people seeing these punishments dished out will think twice next time before acting like an idiot on their way to the stadium.

There is a reason you can count on 1 hand the number of our home games that are properly policed a season. That is because the vast majority of our fans behave exemplary however when people over step the line the authorities will act on it and make sure you are held to account. I don't think people understand how much the club save a season by having either police free, or absolute minimal policed home games. This money then stays in the club and is used in more effective ways. How can anybody say that this is not a positive?

Oh, and for the people saying "are 3000 Sunderland fans going to get arrested" we all no the answer is no. It is very different a group of football fans singing songs in a segregated area of a football stadium surrounded by police and stewards to a handful of tanked up yobs squaring up to each other in the street.

One final note. When slagging of the police for being heavy handed maybe spare a thought for the officer who was on duty for the Derby game last season who was pushed into a police dog by one of these yobs, resulting in the dog attaching himself to the officer who has now suffered life changing injuries. But its all just a bit of fun and part of the game isn't it?
 
AC Jimbo said:
I struggle to see how people cannot see this as a pure exercise in making people sit up and take notice of the fact that the club, police and courts will not accept this sort of behaviour before, during or after any match.

Yes in isolation of course it is heavy handed to issue a 3 year banning order for some of the offences that have been reported but what is supposed to happen? They are allowed to get away with so that next time Derby, Leeds or Sunderland come here the same thing happens again. Maybe, just maybe, people seeing these punishments dished out will think twice next time before acting like an idiot on their way to the stadium.

There is a reason you can count on 1 hand the number of our home games that are properly policed a season. That is because the vast majority of our fans behave exemplary however when people over step the line the authorities will act on it and make sure you are held to account. I don't think people understand how much the club save a season by having either police free, or absolute minimal policed home games. This money then stays in the club and is used in more effective ways. How can anybody say that this is not a positive?

Oh, and for the people saying "are 3000 Sunderland fans going to get arrested" we all no the answer is no. It is very different a group of football fans singing songs in a segregated area of a football stadium surrounded by police and stewards to a handful of tanked up yobs squaring up to each other in the street.

One final note. When slagging of the police for being heavy handed maybe spare a thought for the officer who was on duty for the Derby game last season who was pushed into a police dog by one of these yobs, resulting in the dog attaching himself to the officer who has now suffered life changing injuries. But its all just a bit of fun and part of the game isn't it?
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Thats a tragic isolated event. There have been numerous examples over the years where innocent fans have been bitten by over zealous police dogs, in fact i remember a good friend telling me the tale of a completely innocent boro fan being bit on the knackers. Plenty of fans have been hit with truncheons or tear gassed for absolutely no just reason over the years as well. These cases illustrate a new policing policy, extending their arresting remit for little more than name calling, expect the new extended powers for public nuisance offences at legitimate protests to be manipulated to hurt football fans across the country very soon. Sorry its not Derby fans which are "W@nkers" but the police in this country who think they can bash, trump up charges, kettle and intimidate football supporters, and protest groups without consequence. As i said previously Cleveland police is the most bent, corrupt force in the country, there is no reason to think there footballing unit is the exception.
 
newyddion said:
As much as football is a game of chess, a ballet it is very also very much a pantomime. Shouts of ‘he’s behind you’ move to the stands ‘you’re not singing anymore’ - to pretend that this is not an adult game, with a very adult atmosphere is absolute nonsense. Concourse s stripped down high price pubs, functionality over form. Everywhere plastered with gambling companies, opportunities to gamble.

Now the situation with Derby, a cheating chairman brought to task by our very own. The same chairman with his receivers that tried to blame Derby’s woe onto our actions. This didn’t just stop with Steve Gibson, it was expended onto the club, the fans our town.

Understandably upset Derby County fans set out to cause trouble as I’ve stated before a tirade of online threats of violence, destruction of property, dirty protest etc etc

A volatile atmosphere was created by Derby which in turn motivated their fans to act in such a way that would no doubt provoke some of our fans to sing and chant derogatory comments, call them (rightly so) fcuking vvankers and unfortunately call their bluff, calling them out when it came to unnecessary uncalled for unjust threats of extreme violence.

To take any other view that these banning orders are ridiculous and should be overturned takes an extremely high level of naivety and a complete lack of understanding for what was unfolding how it was created and what it meant in terms of legal activity and justice.

If Derby had been banned from the fixture I would have thought it unfortunate, but understandable in view of the number of threats (including death threats) This was taken note of and action was taken including increased security surrounding our chairman.

It makes no sense, I hope that the club use some of the money they’ve gained from gambling sponsorship to appeal these unjust decisions.
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It may surprise you to find I have been to a football match, and am well aware of the culture that surrounds the national game. I have never in my life shouted that stuff at opposition fans or beckoned them forward for an act of violence. I also understand the situation regarding that particular game and the nonsense posted online. These are adults we're talking about, not children in a playground. If I took my family to a game and we were confronted by such behaviour, I'd be quite happy for the police to prosecute.
 
Glover_elbow said:
Thats a tragic isolated event. There have been numerous examples over the years where innocent fans have been bitten by over zealous police dogs, in fact i remember a good friend telling me the tale of a completely innocent boro fan being bit on the knackers. Plenty of fans have been hit with truncheons or tear gassed for absolutely no just reason over the years as well. These cases illustrate a new policing policy, extending their arresting remit for little more than name calling, expect the new extended powers for public nuisance offences at legitimate protests to be manipulated to hurt football fans across the country very soon. Sorry its not Derby fans which are "W@nkers" but the police in this country who think they can bash, trump up charges, kettle and intimidate football supporters, and protest groups without consequence. As i said previously Cleveland police is the most bent, corrupt force in the country, there is no reason to think there footballing unit is the exception.
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That is all true

And all of that had no relevance to the individual prosecutions
 
Why is it OK to abuse and threaten people at a football match but not in the street?
Would I be happy for children and woman to witness it? No.
Is it setting a good example? No.
Does it do anything for the atmosphere? No.
Is it against the law? Yes.
Perhaps the 3 year ban looks a bit harsh and perhaps he's been made an example of.
Hopefully people will think twice next time they wanna abuse others and threaten violence.
 
HarryVegas said:
It may surprise you to find I have been to a football match, and am well aware of the culture that surrounds the national game. I have never in my life shouted that stuff at opposition fans or beckoned them forward for an act of violence. I also understand the situation regarding that particular game and the nonsense posted online. These are adults we're talking about, not children in a playground. If I took my family to a game and we were confronted by such behaviour, I'd be quite happy for the police to prosecute.
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You've never shouted at opposition fans, you've never made a hand gesture of any kind, you've never joined in a chant that could be considered hurtful or offensive. You use the word fiddlesticks and word stronger than a flip or a damn makes you blush. You've never answered anyone back or stood up to bullying of any kind.

If you went to an away match on the back of boro fans posting death threats and dirty protests, if you turned up to that city or town and started giving it the big I am and acting like a complete idiot .. I would not expect opposing fans to receive THREE YEAR BANS on the back of calling you a dcikhead
 
newyddion said:
You've never shouted at opposition fans, you've never made a hand gesture of any kind, you've never joined in a chant that could be considered hurtful or offensive. You use the word fiddlesticks and word stronger than a flip or a damn makes you blush. You've never answered anyone back or stood up to bullying of any kind.

If you went to an away match on the back of boro fans posting death threats and dirty protests, if you turned up to that city or town and started giving it the big I am and acting like a complete idiot .. I would not expect opposing fans to receive THREE YEAR BANS on the back of calling you a dcikhead
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I have never called the opposition fans f---ing w---ers, nor invited them for a fight. Some chants are funny, but we're not talking about such stuff. You and others here are trying to pile all these extra, imagined, what-ifs onto the situation in order to make what the guy did ok. It's not.
 
newyddion said:
You've never shouted at opposition fans, you've never made a hand gesture of any kind, you've never joined in a chant that could be considered hurtful or offensive. You use the word fiddlesticks and word stronger than a flip or a damn makes you blush. You've never answered anyone back or stood up to bullying of any kind.

If you went to an away match on the back of boro fans posting death threats and dirty protests, if you turned up to that city or town and started giving it the big I am and acting like a complete idiot .. I would not expect opposing fans to receive THREE YEAR BANS on the back of calling you a dcikhead
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"Everybody does it so it's OK"
Like speeding. Still against the law and wrong. Get caught get punished.
No place for it. Why should a football stadium act as a conduit for abuse and violence....... just because it's done a lot?
 
zzzzz said:
Why is it OK to abuse and threaten people at a football match but not in the street?
Would I be happy for children and woman to witness it? No.
Is it setting a good example? No.
Does it do anything for the atmosphere? No.
Is it against the law? Yes.
Perhaps the 3 year ban looks a bit harsh and perhaps he's been made an example of.
Hopefully people will think twice next time they wanna abuse others and threaten violence.
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You could arrest half the kids at school if using the word "******" is a crime. Would you ring the police and waste their time if someone called your wife a nasty name. The offences were misdeameaner
at best by all means arrest them if they goto or engage in violence, but lets not waste the courts time with minor verbal abuse between opposition supporters.
 
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Glover_elbow said:
You could arrest half the kids at school if using the world "******" is a crime. Would you ring the police and waste their time if someone called your wife a nasty name. The offences were mister meaner's at best by all means arrest them if they goto or engage in violence, but lets not waste the courts time with minor verbal abuse between opposition supporters.
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It wasn't kids at school.
Nobody called my wife a nasty name.
Nobody 'rang the police'
It wasn't 'minor verbal abuse'
Who is Mr Meaner?
Apart from that your post is spot on.
 
HarryVegas said:
I have never called the opposition fans f---ing w---ers, nor invited them for a fight. Some chants are funny, but we're not talking about such stuff. You and others here are trying to pile all these extra, imagined, what-ifs onto the situation in order to make what the guy did ok. It's not.
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Harry the what if scenario is what the police imagined they would have done next, but the fact remains they didn't. They have been arrested and singled out from plenty of others who have used exactly the same words purely from reputation.
 
I was at the Derby game with my teenage daughter and was happy just to get into the ground with her away from the mindless idiots from both sides who were bouncing around with invisible carpets under their arms mouthing off at anyone who caught their eye. Why should I have to worry about taking my daughter to a game? I'm all for a bit of a shock & awe style tactic from time to time to get the point across, as previously mentioned why should we accept it just because we happen to be next to a football stadium rather than outside a shopping centre?!

On another note, with our Mackem friends due to revisit us for the first time in a few years I would hazard a guess that whilst the majority will sing the usual vile chants I would bet that a large proportion of them (and equally a large proportion of Boro fans) will have no understanding of the background to why it is sung (even though it is clearly based on an evil untruth) but will do so just because many other knuckle draggers will sing it too. What a weird thing football tribalism is!
 
Teesste said:
I was at the Derby game with my teenage daughter and was happy just to get into the ground with her away from the mindless idiots from both sides who were bouncing around with invisible carpets under their arms mouthing off at anyone who caught their eye. Why should I have to worry about taking my daughter to a game? I'm all for a bit of a shock & awe style tactic from time to time to get the point across, as previously mentioned why should we accept it just because we happen to be next to a football stadium rather than outside a shopping centre?!

On another note, with our Mackem friends due to revisit us for the first time in a few years I would hazard a guess that whilst the majority will sing the usual vile chants I would bet that a large proportion of them (and equally a large proportion of Boro fans) will have no understanding of the background to why it is sung (even though it is clearly based on an evil untruth) but will do so just because many other knuckle draggers will sing it too. What a weird thing football tribalism is!
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and what will be done about the makem fans whose chants are far far worse, absolutely nothing.
 
zzzzz said:
Why is it OK to abuse and threaten people at a football match but not in the street?
Would I be happy for children and woman to witness it? No.
Is it setting a good example? No.
Does it do anything for the atmosphere? No.
Is it against the law? Yes.
Perhaps the 3 year ban looks a bit harsh and perhaps he's been made an example of.
Hopefully people will think twice next time they wanna abuse others and threaten violence.
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In what other walk of life to people get chanted at? Cheered on? or made fun of?
Women and children? What are you talking about? What would it be different for a woman to watch the football or support their team?
The football is an adult setting, would it be acceptable to take your kids to the pub? the bookies? To see a film rated above PG?
Lets not pretend that the football is some toddlers tea party.. because it isn't. The fans, clubs and sponsors know this.
Does it do anything for the atmosphere? VERY MUCH SO YES!
Is it against the law? NO it isn't. Taken out of context it can be seen to be problematic.. but as I said it requires a lot of naivety and a lack of knowledge to make that be the case.
 
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