1930s Germany has arrived in the UK

Warwickboro said:
Well thebend point Will be the next general election l, unless you honestly believe they will totally dismantle democratic vote system prior to that? I thinknwr have a terrible government, but I also think we will simply replace them in 2 years and move on
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We will only start to move on when many of the wrongs of the last 40 years have been righted. This dismantling hasn't happened overnight, it started in the 80s.
 
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The Ruthsayer said:
I don’t evade questions. Ask and I will answer.
I’m confident that our elections will remain fair and free, but I do not condone governmental oversight.
Now, please return the favour and tell me which books have been banned by this government, which you clearly and unambiguously claimed earlier in this conversation.
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You did evade the question, multiple times.


And you must be staggeringly naive to think they don't have nefarious purposes. Otherwise why would they have bothered to take control of the electoral committee? This is why we are sleepwalking into fasiciism. We have people making excuses or allowing things to happen that further increase the control of this government. If this isn't stopped you'll be in for a shock when you realise that living under a fascist government isn't good for you.

Still, I guess we have our answer. We all looked at 30s Germany and asked: Why did they allow this to happen.

I guess they had people like you around then.


The literature they are trying to ban has been given to you
 
Redwurzel said:
Thatcher was no social liberal which is totally different from economic liberal.

She discrimated against gay people (look up section 28 and read below), supported apparteid in South Africa, said General Pinochet (murdered 100s of 1000s and tortured even more in Chile) was one of her best friends, we had the worst race riots in our history in 1981 - I am sorry but quite a few posters haven't a clue or are trolling. Did they live through the 1980s? In the 1970s people were interned in Northern Ireland that means they locked up just in case they might cause trouble. How many people are interned now?

www.petertatchellfoundation.org

1980s: A decade of state-sanctioned homophobia

Open season on queers by state, church, tabloids & police
www.petertatchellfoundation.org www.petertatchellfoundation.org
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Liberalism is a financial policy, semantically you are saying the same thing. Supply side economics is an economically liberal policy for e.g..

Liberalism began as an economic policy in the Victorian era.

I agree Thatcher was bad, and did a lot of harm to our society, I think this government has the potential to go further. Remember Thatxher had 3 terms, she had longer, this lot have been here a few short years and look at the damage they are doing.

Just my opinion, agree or don't, but of you don't see Boris and co and a massive threat to this country I don't know what you have been watching.

We have looming strikes and hardship look g this year, we have not hit the bottom of the barrel yet, and how far do you think this lot will be willing to go to keep power against the backdrop of what's to come?
 
r00fie1 said:
Thatcher went on the attack to defend the class interests she represented.
Some posters were either too young, unaware of our history or have short memories.
Dont forget the poll tax riots.(y)
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She didn't learn from history, the Peasant's Revolt of 1381 was against a poll tax. Both were successful. You could get 10 years for just bearing witness to the police brutality.
 
Yes, she was one evil bstrd....
When I was on a march in London for jobs we weren't shouting Maggie Maggie Maggie out out out.........much tastier than that I must confess.
Despised doesn't come close..
 
r00fie1 said:
* Message to "ZZZZZZZZ" and your laughing emoji :love: in response to the above. I and others, will find your response repugnant in the extreme. To laugh at a man who spent years in German Death Camps is abhorrent! *

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Martin Niemöller: "First they came for the socialists..."​

Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany. He emerged as an outspoken public foe of Adolf Hitler and spent the last seven years of Nazi rule in concentration camps. He is perhaps best remembered for his postwar words, “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out…”

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As a slight distraction from this interesting thread… I think you’ve made a mistake here roofie, that emoji is the ‘love’ emoji (it even says on your screenshot) suggesting zzzzz was liking and in agreement with your post, not laughing at it.
 
I agree Thatcher was bad, and did a lot of harm to our society, I think this government has the potential to go further. Remember Thatxher had 3 terms, she had longer, this lot have been here a few short years and look at the damage they are doing.

I know Thatcher had three terms I lived through them and worked for the Liberal Democrats in the 1987 general election - you don't need to remind me. Conservatives have been leading UK Governements since 2010, thats 12 years and in total control for 7 years. Thatcher was 1979 to 1990 i.e. 11 years.

Just my opinion, agree or don't, but of you don't see Boris and co and a massive threat to this country I don't know what you have been watching.

I have never said we should NOT be on our guard, in fact I previously posted that we should be on our guard, but posters saying we are close to a fascist state and its worse now than in the time of Thatcher are incorrect. Ask Dennis Skinner, if you don't believe me. Of course you might say he is wrong.

I can understand to some extent if people were born say after 1975, they haven't the personal experiences of the time, but my advice is listen to the stories and look at the facts from the 1980s. I am write this not to deflect or say life is perfect now, but to put the current situation into context.
 
The Lib Dems FFS!!!!!

We had one of the gang of four as our MP, and his people had a stranglehold of the local Labour Party. I applied to join the Labour Party and was refused, I didn't knock about with the local councillor and his merry bunch being new to the area where I lived.

It took some doing getting rid of the scoundrels who kept Bill Rogers in his seat.
 
SmallTown said:
You did evade the question, multiple times.


And you must be staggeringly naive to think they don't have nefarious purposes. Otherwise why would they have bothered to take control of the electoral committee? This is why we are sleepwalking into fasiciism. We have people making excuses or allowing things to happen that further increase the control of this government. If this isn't stopped you'll be in for a shock when you realise that living under a fascist government isn't good for you.

Still, I guess we have our answer. We all looked at 30s Germany and asked: Why did they allow this to happen.

I guess they had people like you around then.


The literature they are trying to ban has been given to you
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OK, I disagree that this government is fascist. As and when they no longer hold elections that are free and fair and recognised as such (as they still aware) by the wider global community then we may (depending on your definition) be subject to a fascist state. As to why they have assumed control, it is possible (though you won't accept it) that the previous structure allowed for electoral fraud, as was seen in the West Midlands.
Point 2, your question was implicit. Make it explicit if you want a response.
Point 3, you refer to evasion; I have asked the same question 3 times in a wholly explicit manner, 'what books have been banned'. You have not answered and you won't because I have highlighted your unnecessary and counter productive hyperbole.
Point 4. I see you have yet again, for the third time, resorted to personal insults. That's a shame and I have no intention of reciprocating.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
OK, I disagree that this government is fascist. As and when they no longer hold elections that are free and fair and recognised as such (as they still aware) by the wider global community then we may (depending on your definition) be subject to a fascist state. As to why they have assumed control, it is possible (though you won't accept it) that the previous structure allowed for electoral fraud, as was seen in the West Midlands.
Point 2, your question was implicit. Make it explicit if you want a response.
Point 3, you refer to evasion; I have asked the same question 3 times in a wholly explicit manner, 'what books have been banned'. You have not answered and you won't because I have highlighted your unnecessary and counter productive hyperbole.
Point 4. I see you have yet again, for the third time, resorted to personal insults. That's a shame and I have no intention of reciprocating.
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Point 1: OK we are heading toward fascism, but guess what: If they do manipulate the next election, something they have given themselves the power to do freely, and something all the other autocratic bills they are introducing suggests they wish too, have you ever realised it'll be too late by then. It's Germany 1933 now. You seem to be suggesting we just sit around and see what happens until we get to Germany 1939. BY which time it'll be far too late. You've learnt nothing from history.
Point 2: It was explicit, you're simply lying here. And you evaded answering it because you know where it would lead. I can't blame you, but it's cowardly and shows you actually KNOW the truth but don't want to admit it. Which makes you culpable in allowing fascism to thrive.
Point 3: You question was answered. You're upset because it wasn't me that answered it. That's not my problem at all. If you want to debate a subject, you won't care who give you the answers. If you want petty, personal squabbles you will.
Point 4: No insult at all. I said "people like you" are allowing us to fall head first into fascism. I said this because people like you are allowing this country to fall headfirst into fascism. No insult. Just a fact. Unless you are talking about the naive comment? In which case I'll give you two options. You're either staggeringly naive to think the Tories didn't want to take control of the electoral commission for nefarious purposes, or you are happy that this will happen, making you a fascist enabler. I suspect from your continued arguing on this subject you are the latter now and not the former.
 
SmallTown said:
Point 1: OK we are heading toward fascism, but guess what: If they do manipulate the next election, something they have given themselves the power to do freely, and something all the other autocratic bills they are introducing suggests they wish too, have you ever realised it'll be too late by then. It's Germany 1933 now. You seem to be suggesting we just sit around and see what happens until we get to Germany 1939. BY which time it'll be far too late. You've learnt nothing from history.
Point 2: It was explicit, you're simply lying here. And you evaded answering it because you know where it would lead. I can't blame you, but it's cowardly and shows you actually KNOW the truth but don't want to admit it. Which makes you culpable in allowing fascism to thrive.
Point 3: You question was answered. You're upset because it wasn't me that answered it. That's not my problem at all. If you want to debate a subject, you won't care who give you the answers. If you want petty, personal squabbles you will.
Point 4: No insult at all. I said "people like you" are allowing us to fall head first into fascism. I said this because people like you are allowing this country to fall headfirst into fascism. No insult. Just a fact. Unless you are talking about the naive comment? In which case I'll give you two options. You're either staggeringly naive to think the Tories didn't want to take control of the electoral commission for nefarious purposes, or you are happy that this will happen, making you a fascist enabler. I suspect from your continued arguing on this subject you are the latter now and not the former.
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Fine, my last comment.
1) I disagree that we are heading to fascist 1930's state.
2) The first time you asked that question, I responded.
3) The question was not answered. The previous response referred to books being included on a curriculum. This is not being banned. As I observed, the curriculum is under constant review and (unfortunately) manipulation. Any student of history will attest to this. So the question is not answered.
4) How do you know what I am or am not doing? You have absolutely no idea of the actions I have taken in the past to combat those I see exploiting others and to offer solace and comfort to the vulnerable. Efforts that have cost me both time and money. As an observation, you make sweeping generalisations of people's actions and motives based on minimal evidence and then allot a motivation that fits your worldview.
Your adjectives are pejorative (cowardly, naive, lying) and I take these as they are meant.
 
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