1930s Germany has arrived in the UK

[SmallTown]

Fine, my last comment.
1) I disagree that we are heading to fascist 1930's state.
2) The first time you asked that question, I responded.
3) The question was not answered. The previous response referred to books being included on a curriculum. This is not being banned. As I observed, the curriculum is under constant review and (unfortunately) manipulation. Any student of history will attest to this. So the question is not answered.
4) How do you know what I am or am not doing? You have absolutely no idea of the actions I have taken in the past to combat those I see exploiting others and to offer solace and comfort to the vulnerable. Efforts that have cost me both time and money. As an observation, you make sweeping generalisations of people's actions and motives based on minimal evidence and then allot a motivation that fits your worldview.
Your adjectives are pejorative (cowardly, naive, lying) and I take these as they are meant.

1: Naive or supportive of the current Junta
2: No, but we can all see you twist and turn and squirm your way out of it so it's fine. You can only delude yourself
3: I consider that your answer. You can not like it but if you don't understand why a government would want to stop teaching things that's your problem and not mine
4: I don't know and don't care. I'm saying you are arguing pro government here. Enabling fascism. Not sure why you would want to live in a fascist state but it takes all sorts. Maybe you hate gypsies?

 

[Ziggy]

Fine, my last comment.
1) I disagree that we are heading to fascist 1930's state.
2) The first time you asked that question, I responded.
3) The question was not answered. The previous response referred to books being included on a curriculum. This is not being banned. As I observed, the curriculum is under constant review and (unfortunately) manipulation. Any student of history will attest to this. So the question is not answered.
4) How do you know what I am or am not doing? You have absolutely no idea of the actions I have taken in the past to combat those I see exploiting others and to offer solace and comfort to the vulnerable. Efforts that have cost me both time and money. As an observation, you make sweeping generalisations of people's actions and motives based on minimal evidence and then allot a motivation that fits your worldview.
Your adjectives are pejorative (cowardly, naive, lying) and I take these as they are meant.

The fragility of our constitutional system have been laid bare over, especially the last 10 years.
It is apparent that the opportunity to take advantage of the lack restraint on the government of the day is available to those who wish use it.
There is in reality no way of reigning in, or stopping the executive doing exactly what it likes.
Apart from the vote. Which they are in the process of gerrymandering in different ways now.
I think it someone like ex PM, McMillan who described the system as a “Benign Dictatorship” Those days are almost gone…Don’t forget if a comparison with 30’s must be made. Everything that Hitler and co. did was within the law at the time.
Because they changed the laws beforehand. Now have little look at the changes in law that the present government have made. There will be more…because there’s isn’t a constitution ruling to stop them.

 

[r00fie1]

As a slight distraction from this interesting thread… I think you’ve made a mistake here roofie, that emoji is the ‘love’ emoji (it even says on your screenshot) suggesting zzzzz was liking and in agreement with your post, not laughing at it.

Fair play - but I find it inappropriate given the context.

 

[RoaryTheLion]

1: Naive or supportive of the current Junta
2: No, but we can all see you twist and turn and squirm your way out of it so it's fine. You can only delude yourself
3: I consider that your answer. You can not like it but if you don't understand why a government would want to stop teaching things that's your problem and not mine
4: I don't know and don't care. I'm saying you are arguing pro government here. Enabling fascism. Not sure why you would want to live in a fascist state but it takes all sorts. Maybe you hate gypsies?

The way you interact with people is truly despicable.

 

[Smoggle]

Fair play - but I find it inappropriate given the context.

That’s fine, I certainly can’t speak for other posters intent and I don’t know enough about anyone on here to know if there’s more to certain interactions.

On the rare occasions I’ve used that emoji, it has been to show that I like what a poster has said or I very much agree with their post, not as a mocking or making light gesture - but sometimes emojis help, sometimes they make something more ambiguous!

 

[JonnyHistory]

I agree Thatcher was bad, and did a lot of harm to our society, I think this government has the potential to go further. Remember Thatxher had 3 terms, she had longer, this lot have been here a few short years and look at the damage they are doing.

I know Thatcher had three terms I lived through them and worked for the Liberal Democrats in the 1987 general election - you don't need to remind me. Conservatives have been leading UK Governements since 2010, thats 12 years and in total control for 7 years. Thatcher was 1979 to 1990 i.e. 11 years.

Just my opinion, agree or don't, but of you don't see Boris and co and a massive threat to this country I don't know what you have been watching.

I have never said we should NOT be on our guard, in fact I previously posted that we should be on our guard, but posters saying we are close to a fascist state and its worse now than in the time of Thatcher are incorrect. Ask Dennis Skinner, if you don't believe me. Of course you might say he is wrong.

I can understand to some extent if people were born say after 1975, they haven't the personal experiences of the time, but my advice is listen to the stories and look at the facts from the 1980s. I am write this not to deflect or say life is perfect now, but to put the current situation into context.

I am 40 years old, I remember the hardship of the 80s we are nothing bit egg and chips for seemingly a whole year at one point due to the strain. The point I am making I suppose is Thatcher had an ideology that had an end point, or it only went so far. The current crop have no limit it seems, power at all costs is a dangerous mindset.

I thi k we agree in most stuff and as previously stated we are not fascist state now, but the echoes of the past are there to see in the current policies they are enacting and their general behaviour. A pseudo fascist state is possible in out current trajectory.

 

[The Ruthsayer]

The way you interact with people is truly despicable.

Yes, an absolute intolerance of alternative perspectives and an inability to engage in polite, rational debate aren't attractive qualities. There's a barely suppressed fury behind many of the comments. I understand being angry at the current state of the UK, but this stance will only alienate.
Perhaps ST, you might alleviate your issues by taking more positive action than berating posters on a football message board?

 

[SmallTown]

Yes, an absolute intolerance of alternative perspectives and an inability to engage in polite, rational debate aren't attractive qualities. There's a barely suppressed fury behind many of the comments. I understand being angry at the current state of the UK, but this stance will only alienate.
Perhaps ST, you might alleviate your issues by taking more positive action than berating posters on a football message board?

How do you know what I am or am not doing? You have absolutely no idea of the actions I have taken in the past to combat those I see exploiting others and to offer solace and comfort to the vulnerable. Efforts that have cost me both time and money. As an observation, you make sweeping generalisations of people's actions and motives based on minimal evidence and then allot a motivation that fits your worldview.

 

[The Ruthsayer]

How do you know what I am or am not doing? You have absolutely no idea of the actions I have taken in the past to combat those I see exploiting others and to offer solace and comfort to the vulnerable. Efforts that have cost me both time and money. As an observation, you make sweeping generalisations of people's actions and motives based on minimal evidence and then allot a motivation that fits your worldview

How do you know what I am or am not doing? You have absolutely no idea of the actions I have taken in the past to combat those I see exploiting others and to offer solace and comfort to the vulnerable. Efforts that have cost me both time and money. As an observation, you make sweeping generalisations of people's actions and motives based on minimal evidence and then allot a motivation that fits your worldview.

Very good ST.