How many points has Lumley cost us

Soutra said:
Bristol City (16th place) have scored more goals than Boro, have a top scorer who has scored more than twice as many as Boro's. Boro's defensive record is better than all but the top two, but you still moan about the goalie?

Why not lobby the football league and ask if Boro can play two goalies at the expense of a centre forward? That way Boro's defence can be even better, and the team can become even more reliant on own goals.

It doesn't take a genius to look at the table to work out where the problem is. Watch 3 minutes of highlights of today's game and see so many headers and shots flying into the crowd. Wasted chance after wasted chance.

But it's the goalie's fault? Wake up
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When we went down in 2008/09 many people blamed Brad Jones.
Despite not thinking he was a great keeper I did point out that all them home 0-0's against other struggling teams can hardly have been his fault.

I'm not a fan of Lumley's goalkeeping, but want him to do well - as I do every player who steps on the pitch for us.
He seems an ok bloke too.
I think both goals 'could' have been saved, but wouldn't say he was majorly at fault.
He'll no doubt save that sort of error for next time
 
FabioPorkpie said:
To be clear, I only mean he had no chance with the first one, which from memory was from about 12 yds out. There aren’t many saving that, unless their positioning was such that it smacks into them.
Second was a quality strike and I agree Lumley had a chance to fingertip it round, but many keepers aren’t saving that. I didn’t watch it and think ‘he should have saved that’.
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yes I got confused I meant the second one . didnt have much chance with the first but it wasnt impossible
 
The angle the first was scored from ANY keeper would be covering the near post. He passed to them a couple of times again too. He’s so so below what’s required at this level.
 
fassy said:
The angle the first was scored from ANY keeper would be covering the near post. He passed to them a couple of times again too. He’s so so below what’s required at this level.
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Maybe not England‘s no.1 Jordan Pickford who also got beaten like that today. Did he get blamed by the MOTD panel. No
 
JM14 said:
Watch the highlights, the first goal is absolutely his fault
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I must have been watching some different highlights then. No way you can blame him for that. It's an absolute belter from 10 yards that starts from outside the line of the post and curves in. It also looks like he was partially unsighted by one of our defenders - McNair, I think.

Just seen some of your later posts - all I can say is that you must have a problem judging directionality if you think that was "straight at him."

In fact it's demonstrably untrue - if it was straight at him, he would have had to let it through his hands or under his body or something. It was clearly to one side of him and it was hit with such power just inside the post that unless he was standing right against the post (which as @Muttley says, would be the wrong position for a shot coming from where that one did) he would not have had a chance of saving that.
 
Liamo said:
I must have been watching some different highlights then. No way you can blame him for that. It's an absolute belter from 10 yards that starts from outside the line of the post and curves in. It also looks like he was partially unsighted by one of our defenders - McNair, I think.

Just seen some of your later posts - all I can say is that you must have a problem judging directionality if you think that was "straight at him."

In fact it's demonstrably untrue - if it was straight at him, he would have had to let it through his hands or under his body or something. It was clearly to one side of him and it was hit with such power just inside the post that unless he was standing right against the post (which as @Muttley says, would be the wrong position for a shot coming from where that one did) he would not have had a chance of saving that.
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Setting expectations pretty low if we don’t expect him to make that save, which is probably for the best considering his form this season
 
Laughing said:
The anger on here after a defeat and the need to manufacture blame is pretty unsavoury.
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As I posted earlier and others have said it was one of those days that happens regularly in the Championship. We have played worse than that under Wilder and won. We won't win every game between now and the end of the season, in fact a loss to Bristol City is 'less serious' than a loss to say Sheffield United, Huddersfield or West Brom.
 
It is a very long time since I played in goal. In those days it was a fundamental that you did not concede at your near post. I cannot see why that would change but as I said it is a long long time ago

Brother Lumley has canceded at least 4 at his near post

Hence I'm inclined to the view that he's probably not up to the job but I'd also question the goalies coach who hasn't plugged this gap in his play
 
I am not JL’s biggest fan, I think he mistakes when he is under no real pressure but yesterday he didn’t make a mistake for either goal.

It looks like he is becoming a scapegoat when things go wrong. He will make mistakes again and I’m and that will likely cost us but yesterday the loss wasn’t down to him.
 
Players make mistakes, but you hope players do impressive things too.
I can not remember anything impressive that Joe Lumley has done for us. The best match he has played was against us.
 
Rishworthian said:
It is a very long time since I played in goal. In those days it was a fundamental that you did not concede at your near post.
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You should offer your services to Leeds. The Leeds goalie was just beaten at his near post by a shot less powerful than Weimann's yesterday. None of the pundits said anything about him being at fault.

Strange that.
 
Soutra said:
You should offer your services to Leeds. The Leeds goalie was just beaten at his near post by a shot less powerful than Weimann's yesterday. None of the pundits said anything about him being at fault.

Strange that.
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Or being in no man’s land for the first goal and he’s a top keeper.
 
Soutra said:
You should offer your services to Leeds. The Leeds goalie was just beaten at his near post by a shot less powerful than Weimann's yesterday. None of the pundits said anything about him being at fault.

Strange that.
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Except for the pundits that said he should have done better, that is.

Gary Neville literally said it straight after the goal on the commentary.
 
TeaCider said:
Except for the pundits that said he should have done better, that is.

Gary Neville literally said it straight after the goal on the commentary.
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Did the pundits say how he could do better. Their talk a good game but never say how the keepers can do better and how many of them played in goal. Watch the goal again the ball is already passed before he even gets his hands up. The speed the modern ball travels through the air now give keepers little chance to react if it’s hit well.
 
Kosovo said:
Watch the goal again the ball is already passed before he even gets his hands up.
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That tends to be how it goes in, yeah.

They'd have criticised him even more if he'd got his hands up in time and it had still went went in.
 
TeaCider said:
That tends to be how it goes in, yeah.

They'd have criticised him even more if he'd got his hands up in time and it had still went went in.
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You’ve got pundits blaming (should do better) keepers without any knowledge how to play a specialised like in goal. So how could the keeper have done better or are you just go to put a joke reply up again
 
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Kosovo said:
You’ve got pundits criticism keepers how have never played that position. So how could the keeper have done better or are you just go to put a joke reply up again
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It's not a joke reply.

If the ball goes past him before his hand is up, the obvious thing he could have done better is get his hand up faster.

Mellier has been decent this season, so I'm sure he'll be fine, and it wasn't an easy chance to save, but I was correcting another poster who wrongly said he wasn't getting criticised for being beaten at the near post by pundits.
 
TeaCider said:
It's not a joke reply.

If the ball goes past him before his hand is up, the obvious thing he could have done better is get his hand up faster.

Mellier has been decent this season, so I'm sure he'll be fine, and it wasn't an easy chance to save, but I was correcting another poster who wrongly said he wasn't getting criticised for being beaten at the near post by pundits.
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I don’t think you can blame his positioning for the goal he’s just beaten by the pace and power of the shot before he’s got time to react. If anything you could criticise him for his positioning and ending up in no man’s land for the opening goal.

Apologies for misunderstanding your other post.
 
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