Patrick Bamford on Tony Pulis

I think Britt is being judged, by some, today on a transfer that looked good at the time.

He had a great track record of scoring goals and we went and bought him.
I can’t recall, but I don’t think there were many having a go at that decision then - pretty sure it generated a fair bit of excitement.
 
1finny said:
I think Britt is being judged, by some, today on a transfer that looked good at the time.

He had a great track record of scoring goals and we went and bought him.
I can’t recall, but I don’t think there were many having a go at that decision then - pretty sure it generated a fair bit of excitement.
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Britt is a 15 goal a season Championship striker, consistently. That's what we signed and that's what he still is. The fact that it costs £15m for that nowadays isn't his fault. If we were to sell him tomorrow I reckon we'd get about £10m back, with the shortfall accounted for by the fact that he's 3 years older and hasn't improved at all while we've had him. (And he only has 1 year left on his deal).
 
atypical_boro said:
Britt is a 15 goal a season Championship striker, consistently. That's what we signed and that's what he still is. The fact that it costs £15m for that nowadays isn't his fault. If we were to sell him tomorrow I reckon we'd get about £10m back, with the shortfall accounted for by the fact that he's 3 years older and hasn't improved at all while we've had him. (And he only has 1 year left on his deal).
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We wouldn’t get £10m for him, for the reason you’ve given yourself at the end.

Clubs amortise their players’ values on a straight line from their full transfer fee at the point of buying to zero at the end of their contract. With one year left of a four-year deal, that makes Britt worth £3.75m currently.

Obviously, we might get a better price for him than that but, as you say yourself, he’s older and hasn’t improved, so it wouldn’t be anywhere near £10m.

And I’m a fan of Britt by the way. As far as I can see, we bought a proven goal scorer and then refused to play to his strengths.
 
Billy Horner said:
We wouldn’t get £10m for him, for the reason you’ve given yourself at the end.

Clubs amortise their players’ values on a straight line from their full transfer fee at the point of buying to zero at the end of their contract. With one year left of a four-year deal, that makes Britt worth £3.75m currently.

Obviously, we might get a better price for him than that but, as you say yourself, he’s older and hasn’t improved, so it wouldn’t be anywhere near £10m.

And I’m a fan of Britt by the way. As far as I can see, we bought a proven goal scorer and then refused to play to his strengths.
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I certainly think we'd be asking for £10m. We'd maybe get a bit less but nowhere near as low as £4m.

BTW, I will caveat this by saying in a non-covid19 world where the market hasn't been flipped on his head (as it now will be).
 
atypical_boro said:
I certainly think we'd be asking for £10m. We'd maybe get a bit less but nowhere near as low as £4m.

BTW, I will caveat this by saying in a non-covid19 world where the market hasn't been flipped on his head (as it now will be).
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That’s obviously his book value, which is not necessarily the same as a transfer value. I’d be surprised if we could get nearly three times it though.
 
It's amazing how dumb some of our transfers have been. When you think of how we got mendieta on a free and viduka for 4 million. Even Ramirez on a loan. When we've got cash it's like we jettison all sense of value out the window and stop trying to get crafty deals that take advantage of a clubs need to sell. Should we buy player a) a bog standard championship midfielder in the first year of his four year contract from a team that prizes him highly and has no need to sell who has had one good season or b) a bog standard championship midfielder that will cost half a million because he's in the last year of his contract and is pushing 30.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
It's amazing how dumb some of our transfers have been. When you think of how we got mendieta on a free and viduka for 4 million. Even Ramirez on a loan. When we've got cash it's like we jettison all sense of value out the window and stop trying to get crafty deals that take advantage of a clubs need to sell. Should we buy player a) a bog standard championship midfielder in the first year of his four year contract from a team that prizes him highly and has no need to sell who has had one good season or b) a bog standard championship midfielder that will cost half a million because he's in the last year of his contract and is pushing 30.
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Depends, is he future captain material?
 
Evil said:
I still don't get why people defend Pulis so much, yes, Monk came in and spunked cash, but Pulis started off so well with Monks players, we played decent football mostly. Then he dismantled all that (yes I know we needed to sell too) and played the most depressing style of football I've ever seen.
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I do agree with that. Looking back, we were stronger under Pulis when he was forced into decisions.

He was persevering with Gestede up front, even choosing to play Bamford left wing. After Gestede got injured he pretty much had no choice but to play Bamford up top, and it was a big factor in us making the play-offs. If it hadn't have been for Gestede getting injured though, I have no doubts he would have continued persevering with him.

Then the following season, we started off playing with wing-backs, Wing in midfield, and Britt up front with Braitwaite. We made a really strong start, yet he brought Besic and Hugill into the side and switched to a 4-5-1 formation.

The other changes that were forced upon him were Saville and Howson as wing-backs, and Britt and Fletcher up front, which he had to try away at Blackburn due to injuries, and if I remember rightly we went on a good run after that.
 
Pulis did well first year as he had a phenomenal player that he got the best out of. Second year he lost a lot of our good players and played in a way that had worked for him before. It didn't work this time for one reason alone. We didn't score any set pieces. I think we got three or four. Usually a third of his goals come this way. We can see that he didn't do appallingly due to the team fighting relegation this year.
 
I loathe Pulis for what he did to the football club caused a split down the fanbase which became unpleasant. His press conferences were just spin - a snake oil salesman if ive ever seen one. The b***ks with "Steve's spent a lot of money" became even more infuriating when he spent so much on average players a la Saville. His football was dreadful, we would except it if we got results but generally we didn't. The Bamford transfer was probably the start of when I began getting frustrated with him - the Hugill loan replacement was a cultured player to a donkey.
 
Billy Horner said:
We wouldn’t get £10m for him, for the reason you’ve given yourself at the end.

Clubs amortise their players’ values on a straight line from their full transfer fee at the point of buying to zero at the end of their contract. With one year left of a four-year deal, that makes Britt worth £3.75m currently.

Obviously, we might get a better price for him than that but, as you say yourself, he’s older and hasn’t improved, so it wouldn’t be anywhere near £10m.

And I’m a fan of Britt by the way. As far as I can see, we bought a proven goal scorer and then refused to play to his strengths.
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You can add Britt to a long list of Boro strikers who have had the problem of having to fit into a side not set up right for their skills:

Rhodes
Fjortoft
Nemeth
Joseph Job
Gestede
Stuani
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Pulis did well first year as he had a phenomenal player that he got the best out of. Second year he lost a lot of our good players and played in a way that had worked for him before. It didn't work this time for one reason alone. We didn't score any set pieces. I think we got three or four. Usually a third of his goals come this way. We can see that he didn't do appallingly due to the team fighting relegation this year.
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The team fighting relegation is missing Braithwaite, Downing, Besic, Flint and Baath (plus Randolph for the bulk) though. And without the good start where he had an interested Braithwaite to choose from we'd have been much lower down the table. Despite finishing 7th, we had a terrible run that season not much different from what we've had this season.

So maybe he didn't do as good as job as he likes to think either. I'd say he did a distinctly underwhelming job, despite being far more experienced as a manager and having half a dozen more established championship level (or better) players to call on.
 
I think the problem is we buy the bloke who puts the ball in the net, but not the bloke who passed it to him. And usually the bloke who puts the ball in the costs twice as much.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
It's amazing how dumb some of our transfers have been. When you think of how we got mendieta on a free and viduka for 4 million. Even Ramirez on a loan. When we've got cash it's like we jettison all sense of value out the window and stop trying to get crafty deals that take advantage of a clubs need to sell. Should we buy player a) a bog standard championship midfielder in the first year of his four year contract from a team that prizes him highly and has no need to sell who has had one good season or b) a bog standard championship midfielder that will cost half a million because he's in the last year of his contract and is pushing 30.
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TBF thats a long time ago though, transfer fees have gone bonkers since then.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
It's amazing how dumb some of our transfers have been. When you think of how we got mendieta on a free and viduka for 4 million. Even Ramirez on a loan. When we've got cash it's like we jettison all sense of value out the window and stop trying to get crafty deals that take advantage of a clubs need to sell. Should we buy player a) a bog standard championship midfielder in the first year of his four year contract from a team that prizes him highly and has no need to sell who has had one good season or b) a bog standard championship midfielder that will cost half a million because he's in the last year of his contract and is pushing 30.
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I think following relegation, Gibson felt we had to splash the cash in order to go straight back up. It had worked for Newcastle the previous season, so Gibson must have felt pressurised into thinking we had to do the same.

We really didn't need to do it though, we already had a pretty strong squad for the Championship.

Imagine if instead of spunking £31m on 3 new strikers, we'd have just signed Jota from Brentford for £7m.

This is the team we could have had, and it would have cost significantly less to assemble than Monks' effort.

..................................Randolph............................

Christie.......Ayala..........Gibson...........Friend

..................Clayton.......Leadbitter....................

Traore...................Jota............................Downing

..............................Bamford.......................................
 
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