Covid: No plans for October lockdown, says government

Adi_Dem said:
And if you ever feel like that I am available to message, to talk to, to shout at - whatever you might need. I’m happy to give you my number or to meet you if we are anywhere near each other.

I think you’re seeing things that aren’t there in these posts. It’s just people expressing their views. Nothing more. Your personal circumstances mean you probably have a different viewpoint to mine but that shouldn’t be mistaken for an absence of understanding or compassion. I completely understand where you’re coming from. Although a different scenario, my brother is autistic and has other learning difficulties. He requires in home care. Lockdowns are incredibly difficult for him and the rest of the family. Last time he really struggled with loneliness but has other challenges too eg he almost burnt his house down during the last lockdown. Luckily somebody was there in time. Believe me when I tell you that I completely get it and I have absolute compassion for your circumstances and will do anything I possibly could to help you if you wanted or needed it. That doesn’t mean though that we have to agree with each other and it doesn’t mean my views are repulsive.
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I don’t want to engage with you.
Really don’t. Sorry.
 
Aet290204 said:
Sick of reading the utter ***** on here.
No understanding or compassion for anyone’s personal circumstances. Sick of it. Utterly bloody sick of it. The thought of a lockdown would see me off. I’ve got the pills for the overdose and the bleach stockpiled upstairs.
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Aet, we are all aware of the strain the pandemic has put on your mental health, but for everyone like you fearing another lockdown there will be as many people terrified of the continuing high number of cases and the risk a Covid infection would pose to them.
We need to find a way, together as a society, where we both drive down infection numbers AND avoid lockdowns.
 
Who are the people ending up in hospital at the moment?

I ask because if its the unvaccinated then are we heading in to a dog chasing its tail situation. People won't get vaccinated, hospital numbers go up, we have a lockdown, hospital numbers plateau and fall, people refuse the vaccine because they see hospital numbers fall, unvaccinated people end up in hospital, number in hospital increase and so on and so on.
 
Adi_Dem said:
But you’re still reading and responding to my posts.
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I’m going to bed now. Reply if you like I won’t read it. You obviously always like to think you’ve had the final word and the upper hand so it’ll make you happy.
 
Expat Smoggie said:
you get the feeling that the vaccine was or is a short term fix for Covid, which has been ok but still hasn’t had the desired results in slowing down the virus. Now we just have more mutations and even though deaths may have been stymied the virus is still there and it seems as though it could develop into what experts are calling the doomsday virus. I see the big pharmaceutical companies wanting volunteers again for more experimental tests on different drugs etc so that in itself tells us that the vaccine isn’t that good. Much like the flu where you get a shot every year Covid will be the same process.
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The vaccine hasn’t slowed it down much but have a look at the data on hospital and ICU admissions from different countries. It’s unbelievably good all things considered at keeping you from getting really sick. I’ve read figures of 95%+ ICU admissions being unvaccinated or with serious underlying health conditions.

I’m not in the slightest an expert but agree it’ll most likely be an annual shot like the flu jab. I actually met a virologist who leads the design of Western Australia’s flu jab, was really interesting. It’s not the same jab every year, they redesign it based on researching and predicting the likely variant of that year - sometimes they get it spot on in the high 80%, sometimes they’re nowhere near in the low 40%. It’s incredibly complex and there’s some super smart people working international on this stuff, but no vaccine is 100% effective - the COVID vaccine is remarkably good.

Delta seems to be virulent in children, or at least more than the original virus - or perhaps they were always a major vector for transmission and no-one realised because we weren’t testing. So I think the talk of an October firebreak is to take the sting out of schools going back and the likely clusterfuck after that.

Vaccine coverage in the UK still isn’t that high as well, and especially not in young people - 65%ish when you include kids, which a lot of the figures don’t.

The point remains though: if you don’t want to get very sick from COVID, by far the best thing you can do for yourself is get vaccinated asap.
 
Adi_Dem said:
But you’re still reading and responding to my posts.
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I never understood the "I'm not engaging with you" line. It seems deliberately said to try and make the other person look like he's the bad/unreasonable one.
@Laughing tried it with me yesterday too. As if he's making some sort of point.

We have ignore buttons but if you don't want to interact with someone then just don't interact with them. To make a settlement about it is a deliberate attempt to try and make the person you're talking to look or feel bad. Or emotionally blackmail them into stopping their side of the debate.
 
One thing I do find quite interesting is javid putting pressure on the BBC to stop publishing daily covid figures.

I am myself why he would do this? Is it, as he claims, to stop frightening people? Or is it something far more sinister as the government start to push people back into office space and spending money on pret meatball subs?

I don't know and it is open to interpretation but it does seem inherently wrong for government to apply pressure to a state funded news outlet, on what they deem newsworthy.
 
Laughing said:
One thing I do find quite interesting is javid putting pressure on the BBC to stop publishing daily covid figures.

I am myself why he would do this? Is it, as he claims, to stop frightening people? Or is it something far more sinister as the government start to push people back into office space and spending money on pret meatball subs?

I don't know and it is open to interpretation but it does seem inherently wrong for government to apply pressure to a state funded news outlet, on what they deem newsworthy.
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It's most certainly the latter. Remember he's only health secretary in name. He essentially wants to be a chancellor again. I have no qualms with Sunak pushing for things like this as it economically might help. The fact Javid does is scary. The fact we have a health secretary more concerned about economics than health is a concern.
 
SmallTown said:
I never understood the "I'm not engaging with you" line. It seems deliberately said to try and make the other person look like he's the bad/unreasonable one.
@Laughing tried it with me yesterday too. As if he's making some sort of point.

We have ignore buttons but if you don't want to interact with someone then just don't interact with them. To make a settlement about it is a deliberate attempt to try and make the person you're talking to look or feel bad. Or emotionally blackmail them into stopping their side of the debate.
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I have been reflecting on this thread with some difficulty. I have re-read my contributions to it a few times. I've been a member of this board and its previous iterations for just about 20 years now and have always enjoyed robust debate on the understanding that it was only ever heated discussion. This feels very different. Whilst I can't see anything repulsive or anything which I particularly regret, the effect I have clearly had on another poster has given me pause for thought. I don't agree with him on the subject matter or his interpretation of my posts but nevertheless I am not prepared to continue to make anybody feel that way. I have been personally touched by suicide and attempted suicide six times in my life and the thought that what I write on here might make someone's day a little bit harder or more challenging or might contribute to those kind of feelings isn't tolerable to me. So I've decided not to contribute for now. I shall continue to read the board but that's it for now I think.

I thought long and hard about whether to post this because I didn't want to make it about me or to trigger an adverse response (which might be inevitable) but I thought it might just serve as a useful reminder that we perhaps need to be a bit more careful with the words we choose or the manner in which we present our arguments. That's what I am going to think about.
 
Adi_Dem said:
I have been reflecting on this thread with some difficulty. I have re-read my contributions to it a few times. I've been a member of this board and its previous iterations for just about 20 years now and have always enjoyed robust debate on the understanding that it was only ever heated discussion. This feels very different. Whilst I can't see anything repulsive or anything which I particularly regret, the effect I have clearly had on another poster has given me pause for thought. I don't agree with him on the subject matter or his interpretation of my posts but nevertheless I am not prepared to continue to make anybody feel that way. I have been personally touched by suicide and attempted suicide six times in my life and the thought that what I write on here might make someone's day a little bit harder or more challenging or might contribute to those kind of feelings isn't tolerable to me. So I've decided not to contribute for now. I shall continue to read the board but that's it for now I think.

I thought long and hard about whether to post this because I didn't want to make it about me or to trigger an adverse response (which might be inevitable) but I thought it might just serve as a useful reminder that we perhaps need to be a bit more careful with the words we choose or the manner in which we present our arguments. That's what I am going to think about.
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Nice post Adi.
 
A very thoughtful post Adi and it cannot have been easy to write.
From my point of view the very last thing I want is to negatively impact on anyone's mental health.
In the past this place has been so helpful to people in crisis situations or in preventing crisis situations. I really hope we can all think of the impact of words on others. But thank you so much for your honesty and very best to you.
 
Adi_Dem said:
Toying with the idea of starting a thread with it but a bit reluctant.
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Hey Adi - I’d say slow down mate. It’s just a football messageboard and I for one have thoroughly enjoyed your contributions to this and the old board - same as Coluka, who we lost for similar reasons - for years.

If you want to take the sting out of it just stick to football posts, but it would be a real shame to lose you man. The community is only as good as its people, and you’re clearly one of the good ones.
 
fmttmadmin said:
A very thoughtful post Adi and it cannot have been easy to write.
From my point of view the very last thing I want is to negatively impact on anyone's mental health.
In the past this place has been so helpful to people in crisis situations or in preventing crisis situations. I really hope we can all think of the impact of words on others. But thank you so much for your honesty and very best to you.
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Much appreciated.
 
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