Gareth Southgate's strong message after some supporters booed when England players take the knee [Gazette]

HiredGun123 said:
I don’t know if they would boo because I wasn’t in a stadium with them at the time it happened, But they are against the knee and openly criticise it verbally and publicly . What’s the difference?
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That`s easy

Booing players taking a knee is booing an anti-racism protest.

Criticising verbally and publicly like Les Ferdinand did is totally different than booing - Les explains
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
This is what I can't get my head around, if you don't like them taking the knee - no idea why you would by the way - just keep quiet.

Actively booing it is what makes people look racist.

Racial equality? Boooooo. Seems crazy
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I don't understand the booing either. I would NEVER take the knee but wouldn't boo. If you don't agree with it just go to the concourse or turn your back on it - or matbe just STFU
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
I am at a total loss as to why anyone would boo it?

Until anyone can give me a reasonable explanation then my opinion is that anyone who boos players taking the knee is a peice of racist scum.

I can see fights breaking out over this when fans are back in the ground, I'm certainly calling out anyone near me who's booing it.
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Totally agree with you mate and haven’t read the whole thread - only explanation as devil’s advocate is annoyance at politics intruding on sport, which many feel should be a politics-free zone.

Just to clarify though - I totally agree with you.
 
theredrooster said:
Agree with this, I've only ever been to a handful of England games and at every one there were a group of racist bigots nearby chanting their filth. That game V Turkey at the Stadium of Light in 2003 was some of the worst behaviour of that type I've ever had the misfortune to witness.
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I’ve never been to an England game but have spent plenty of time with the Barmy Army.

95% a really good laugh, and 5% the worst kind of horrible ****, ‘10 German Bombers’, ‘No Surrender’, **** the EU’ and all that.
 
HiredGun123 said:
My point is that people saying people opposing the gesture is racist, But that’s a big generalisation surely.

not taking the knee is also not agreeing with it in most cases, Some players have spoken out about it, so is that racist too?

the school of thought on here is if you opposite it, you are racist. Completely ignoring any other potential factors.
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HG, let's be honest. You've given it your best but you are talking rubbish. You can't polish a turd, and your point is sadly a turd.

Fancy typing as much as you have decrying the lack of nuance and understanding applied to people who've chose to express themselves through booing. :ROFLMAO:

IF (and it's an absurd if), but IF the problem some people have is the idea that English footballers kneeling is linked to an American campaign organisation and that American campaign organisation is influenced by a 19th century German economist, and they choose to express themselves through making a noise like a farmyard animal, they really can't complain about being misunderstood can they?

Never mind the players finding a different action to take - a good tip for anyone not wanting to appear racist may be to not boo during anti-racism protests EVEN if it conjures up some deeply held convictions you have about Das Kapital volume 2 eh?
 
bear66 said:
Where do they boo?
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sorry, I meant some opposite it verbally, I never initially said the they literally boo because I haven’t been in environment with them where they would specifically boo, such as a stadium.

Show me literally I said they literally boo it in my initial posts.. you cant.

I said they they do openly criticise these gestures. That may be in conversation on social media or whatever. So what’s the difference? Verbally criticising it or booing, both are an act of opposing something anyway.
 
SuperStu said:
Why bring that in to it? Nobody on the thread has accused Britt or any other player/club deciding not to do taking a knee before matches of being racist.
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It's just a tenuous tactic. That if somehow every black person doesn't take the knee then somehow no player everyone should have carte blanche to boo
 
HiredGun123 said:
Not everybody that dislikes the gesture of taking a knee dislikes it because they don’t believe in racial equality
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But you do get that many do and that most black people do not boo it, in fact I don't know a single black person that boos it
 
HiredGun123 said:
sorry, I meant some opposite it verbally, I never initially said the they literally boo because I haven’t been in environment with them where they would specifically boo, such as a stadium.

Show me literally I said they literally boo it in my initial posts.. you cant.

I said they they do openly criticise these gestures. That may be in conversation on social media or whatever. So what’s the difference? Verbally criticising it or booing, both are an act of opposing something anyway.
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Oh mate... the position isn’t we take everything you say figuratively unless you explicitly state you’re talking literally. That’s not how this works.
 
HiredGun123 said:
At the end of the day it’s also openly criticised by a lot of black people who don’t like it, I could happily introduce you to some in my family and friends circle, Are they ignorant, racist or apologising for racism too?
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do they boo it? Honestly, we both know that answer
 
Yep you can see the argument being put forward unravelling for the vacuous ignorant nonsense it is in this very thread.
 
BoroMart said:
But you do get that many do and that most black people do not boo it, in fact I don't know a single black person that boos it
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Absolutely, I said some booing will be racist. Being brave in numbers I suppose.

I know black people that support it, and some against it. Do they boo, or would they? I don’t know, We have not been sat in the kind of environment where people outwardly boo as a gesture towards something, I.e a stadium. But do I know some black people that outwardly criticise it publicly and in conversation? yes. Is there really a big difference?
 
HiredGun123 said:
sorry, I meant some opposite it verbally, I never initially said the they literally boo because I haven’t been in environment with them where they would specifically boo, such as a stadium.

Show me literally I said they literally boo it in my initial posts.. you cant.

I said they they do openly criticise these gestures. That may be in conversation on social media or whatever. So what’s the difference? Verbally criticising it or booing, both are an act of opposing something anyway.
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You said:
They outwardly opposite it, Whether that’s through speech or booing.
 
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