Tory government for ever ?

pierrequiroule said:
Forget it. England always has been and for as long as I can think ahead will remain a conservative (and hence a Conservative voting) country. When the public inevitably get tired of this and future conservative governments there will be little dalliances with a watered down Conservatism (New Labour in its current guise) until the public get cold feet and revert to type. It's in the blood of enough english people to endure for many more generations. If you heard Warnock today you'll see a prime example of why. I'm afraid you're stuck with them.
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You are right but a future Labour government should not ever allow the Tories to curtail their spending as they have done in the past.

‘The cupboard is bare’.

‘There is no magic money tree’.

Never again will the Tories have any credibility with these statements after the last 12 months.
 
My point is that it won't make a jot of difference Holgate, the public's politics are set in stone for the forseeable future. I'm 70 years old and watched the cycle repeat itself until the only option seemed to be put up with it or get out - I chose the latter.
 
Isn’t the problem for Labour, the perception and perhaps the actuality that the Tories actually seem to be delivering on their promises to improve the job situation on Teesside. We are benefiting from a charm offensive with the regeneration of Teesport and the old British Steel site giving the hope of a more optimistic future. The working man/woman can see at least an effort being made to improve the economic fortunes of the area.
Just for the record, I voted Labour in the last election and I have a massive massive dislike for the self serving politicians who benefit from cronyism and those who give contracts to their friends should be prosecuted and jailed.
 
Labour need to find a way to make socialism acceptable and not be seen as a road to ruin.
We are, to some extent, a more sedate reflection of US politics. Johnson is a diluted version of Trump. Equally abhorrent, but cleverer and more snide in promoting his views.
If you've been watching US politics since Biden was elected you'll have seen the Republican party sacrifice any pretence of policy for a stance that is basically to oppose everything Biden proposes. Biden has however passed several bills that are very socialist for the US and they have met with overwhelming public approval. In fact, several GOP representatives are now claiming credit for the benefits that the latest recovery package is bringing to their districts while completely ignoring the fact that they voted against it.
Socialist policy has always been demonised and defeated because of the lie that it costs too much and that it will saddle future generations with debt. However, as any successful business will prove, you often have to encumber yourself with debt in order to be able to develop and ultimately profit. If you run up massive debts but use the money to improve things like education, health care, employment, infrastructure and other programs that benefit society as a whole then you are ensuring the future of those kids. Or you can do what this lot are doing and allow masses of public funds to be siphoned off by the rich. It's policy like the Tories are adopting that will ensure that future generations will pay, not just in financial terms but also in ways that are hard to quantify such as an absence of opportunity.
If Labour or anyone else can pull off this trick then they'll be able to disprove the lie of trickle down economics or any other policy that conservatives tell us is the best way.
However, as pierre says, it's not in the British psyche to embrace socialism for the greater good.
 
Steer said:
I dont even understand what Labour have done so wrong to force everyone to vote for this bunch of clowns, making their millions out of Brexit, appointing contracts to their friends and family, takign back handers, overseeing an horrendous covid death rate etc.
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Sided with everything the Tories have implemented with regards to the pandemic response hasn't helped them at all.

They've never came up with any other viable solution to the problem, just agreed with everything the Tories have offered either voting with them or abstaining (which is basically the same thing).
 
Randy said:
Sided with everything the Tories have implemented with regards to the pandemic response hasn't helped them at all.

They've never came up with any other viable solution to the problem, just agreed with everything the Tories have offered either voting with them or abstaining (which is basically the same thing).
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One major thing that I can remember Labour saying they would do is pay people properly to isolate with covid symptoms, instead the tories forced these covid sufferers to go into work as they know it's not possible to live on SSP. That policy would have saved thousands of lives.
 
I'm absolutely staggered by the North East. We are an area that has forgotten our history and heritage and suddenly voting for the ******* who have caused so much damage.

Just look at Liverpool. They've voted in a way that the Tory standing has lost their deposit. Say what you like about Scousers but they know who they are and where they've come from.
 
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Nero said:
I'm absolutely staggered by the North East. We are an area that has forgotten our history and heritage and suddenly voting for the ******* who have caused so much damage.

Just look at Liverpool. They've voted in a way the the Tory standing has lost their deposit. Say what you like about Scousers but they know who they are and where they've come from.
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No one is influenced by the sun in Liverpool 👀
 
NoMushroom said:
Not honouring the Brexit result for 3+ years - trying every trick in the book to delay parliament, sending letters to the EU behind the UK's government back, calling people who voted for Brexit all sorts of names, do we need to go on?
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You seem to be as forgetful as Alex de feffel about what has happened in the world of late. The brexit result could have been honoured in 6 months if thr Tories had voted for it. How on earth can you suggest Labour delayed brexit?
 
NoMushroom said:
Not honouring the Brexit result for 3+ years - trying every trick in the book to delay parliament, sending letters to the EU behind the UK's government back, calling people who voted for Brexit all sorts of names, do we need to go on?
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It was just Labour who opposed attempts to get various deals through - plenty of Tories did
 
Martin Luther King, Jr., reminded us that “the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” Change takes a long time, but it does happen. ...
I give this lot 2,3 years before the **** show starts to crumble.
 
The effect of 'long Corbyn' will take years and years to get over

That's it for me. There was a chance of something new and fresh, yet JC wasn't up for the job. He has set Labour back decades. So disappointing. Right attitude, wrong bloke
 
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NoMushroom said:
I'm 32 - I haven't had a penny from the UK government for years.... even during the pandemic
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Still a lot to learn:
Never take anything for granted - including your health.
Always take each day as your last and treat others as you would expect to be treated.(y)
And never say never.
 
r00fie1 said:
Still a lot to learn:
Never take anything for granted - including your health.
Always take each day as your last and treat others as you would expect to be treated.(y)
And never say never.
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Context? I get the point but...
 
Why are Labour in trouble?
Labour were formed to assist the " working " man in their struggle with overbearing employers.
The current Labour Party are more interested in looking after the non working man , effete university socialists and every rag tag activist group they can find.
Kier Hardie must be spinning in his grave.
 
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