red_harrington
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And I thought Robocop and Judge Dredd were fiction. That is not policing.
I saw that this evening, think it makes it worse in all honesty. Why did the officers feel the need to draw weapons at all, were their lives or bystanders lives in danger. I can't see how. Then there is the question about inadequate training.New twist to this story
The suburban Minneapolis police officer who fatally shot a 20-year-old unarmed Black man during a traffic stop Sunday apparently meant to fire a Taser but instead made an “accidental discharge” from her gun, the police chief said Monday. Less than 24 hours after a female officer in the Brooklyn Center Police Department shot and killed Daunte Wright, Police Chief Tim Gannon played an unedited clip of police body camera video showing the fatal incident for the media. The video, which was played at a news conference, shows two officers approach the vehicle — one on each side. The third officer approaches later as the two attempt to handcuff Wright and he struggles. The third officer threatens that Wright that she will taze him before firing. Immediately thereafter she is her saying, “Holy s---, I shot him,” apparently realizing that she had fired her service weapon instead of her Taser. Gannon described it as an “accidental discharge that resulted in the tragic death of Mr. Wright.”
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This is it, there is no single answer because every situation is unique.
The point I am making however, is that in the first instance you will always lower your chances of being shot by the police if you bow your head, keep your mouth shut and simply comply.
As soon as you start opening your mouth saying things like 'Why have you stopped me' then you're opening dialogue which could be seen by the policeman as confrontation.
Well said.It always strikes me that trained US police officers can get away with shooting someone because they acted out of fear/implus/reaction/adrenaline or error in any given situation, but an untrained civilian has to remain perfectly calm and collected while making all the right body movements to show zero threat often while being yelled at with a gun pointed at them.
They are similar in that they have a pistol grip but beyond that they are completely different....I heard vague details about the mix up between the taser and the gun. Is anybody experienced in that area is that a mistake that could be easily made? when I heard it I thought it sounded unlikely as I imagined they are different in weight,size,feel etc - has anybody used either?
They are similar in that they have a pistol grip but beyond that they are completely different....
The biggest difference is they are usually bright yellow or orange in colour so that people can tell the difference.
she has clearly drawn the weapon from her belt and not visually identified it before discharging.... the fact she is shouting Taser, Taser, Taser (as per the training) confirms she genuinely believed she was using a taser
clearly an accident.... but its cost this bloke his life
The term accident suggests no responsability. Whilst it probably wasn't a deliberate act, it was grossly negligent.They are similar in that they have a pistol grip but beyond that they are completely different....
The biggest difference is they are usually bright yellow or orange in colour so that people can tell the difference.
she has clearly drawn the weapon from her belt and not visually identified it before discharging.... the fact she is shouting Taser, Taser, Taser (as per the training) confirms she genuinely believed she was using a taser
clearly an accident.... but its cost this bloke his life
That was my thoughts as well as non lethal weapons tend to be brightly even fluorescent in colour almost toy like in appearance to differentiate them from lethal weapons.The biggest difference is they are usually bright yellow or orange in colour so that people can tell the difference.
She should certainly be investigated and, if negligent, be tried for this. I don't have much hope here though.If it was a genuine accident I have a certain amount of sympathy with the officer in question. Career in tatters and the death of a man on her conscience. It’s a horrendous situation all round!
This is a really good point that hasn’t been highlighted because as you say the side you reach for determined your next actions or intent.Additionally the taser should be located on the non dominant side of the officers belt.
Her adrenaline was up... she (or anyone else in that situation would never notice the weight difference (think about people moving huge weights when involved in life and death situations )No, the biggest difference is a plastic taser weighs a 1/4 of the weight of a standard issue loaded metal glock.
A police officer of 26 year should know that blindfolded.
The grip is also very different, it's brightly coloured and flashes when unholstered. Additionally the taser should be located on the non dominant side of the officers belt.
I'm finding it very hard come to the accident conclusion, this is gross negligence at best.
Sorry I have little sympathy for her. If she was that incompetent that she didn't know the difference between a tazer and a gun she shouldn't be carrying them so shouldn't be doing the job.If it was a genuine accident I have a certain amount of sympathy with the officer in question. Career in tatters and the death of a man on her conscience. It’s a horrendous situation all round!
Yes I guess so - I presume she felt so threatened or on edge that she acted instinctively, however I’m sure that would have been covered in the training. We are all human at the end of the day - I do have some sympathy for her current situation but I guess you are right and the book stops with her.Sorry I have little sympathy for her. If she was that incompetent that she didn't know the difference between a tazer and a gun she shouldn't be carrying them so shouldn't be doing the job.
Responsibility comes with carrying a firearm.
I'm not suggesting she did it on purpose...... but doing what she did she must suffer the consequences.