National Lockdown

National Lockdown ASAP

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 58.7%

  • No

    Votes: 26 41.3%
  • Total voters
    63
  • Poll closed .
RandySavage said:
Sounds more and more like a better option as the days go by. Nobody is exactly living at the moment are they.
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I know its tough on hospitality Randy. Government needs to properly ensure people can financially get by and to attempt to keep jobs where they can. If jobs go, once this is all over and it will be, businesses will come back and thrive. I hope you didn’t really mean what you said. Where there is life, there really is hope. I am sure a vaccine is coming over the hill, keep the faith and I wish you and others well over what is undoubtedly going to be a dark winter.
 
I know it's from the home of fake news, but listen to the staff on Blackburn ICU.
Even though I'm a key worker myself and wont have the option of locking down (just being ultra-diligent while I am at work), I've got no issue with anyone in the public or private sector who is being paid to stay home and help stop the spread. The sooner we get a grip, the better it'll be for everyone who depends on the public to keep their business going. Criticising furloughed staff is pointing the finger at the wrong people, any ire should be directed at Johnson and his cronies for not having an effective plan.
 
coluka said:
I know its tough on hospitality Randy. Government needs to properly ensure people can financially get by and to attempt to keep jobs where they can. If jobs go, once this is all over and it will be, businesses will come back and thrive. I hope you didn’t really mean what you said. Where there is life, there really is hope. I am sure a vaccine is coming over the hill, keep the faith and I wish you and others well over what is undoubtedly going to be a dark winter.
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It's not about the job. The government and to a lesser extent some sections of society aren't bothered about the potential loss of an entire industry not seen since the mines shut.

Life is not life at the moment, it is existence.
 
EI_Owen said:
What a strange thing to say, we are all living, its just that circumstances aren’t the same as they were a year ago. There is no point giving up, if we take the right precautions we can get through this. What is it you really miss?
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TBH I miss my nearly 4 year old being able to legally see his friends & family. Especially given that people of his age group, according to the research, neither spread the virus nor suffer from its symptoms.

At what point do we start putting the young on a level pegging with the old? We're currently in the process (or trying to) of robbing millions of youngsters (right up to early adulthood) of their youths. That simply cannot be a good thing. And I don't, pragmatically, think we can fully expect their co-operation. Just saying it how I see it, not saying its right or wrong but we have to be realistic about human/teenage behaviour and the fatigue people are feeling.

I can handle not going to the match, not going on holiday and not really going to the pub. But how anyone expects a 15+ year old to live with all this for potentially years to come is beyond me.
 
EI_Owen said:
What a strange thing to say, we are all living, its just that circumstances aren’t the same as they were a year ago. There is no point giving up, if we take the right precautions we can get through this. What is it you really miss?
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Meeting friends on a whim, chilling out at one another's houses. My kids, although still only young thank god, don't understand why they can't play round at their friends houses and vice versa, that's fun to explain every single day. I miss the nights in the pub after work where a conversation with one work colleague can turn into a group of 10-15 of us all chewing the fat. I'm not listing everything on here as Rob probably had a character limit. 😂

Oh and it's apparently illegal to go and spend some time with my parents. I still am mind but come one, that rule is utterly ridiculous.
 
RandySavage said:
Meeting friends on a whim, chilling out at one another's houses. My kids, although still only young thank god, don't understand why they can't play round at their friends houses and vice versa, that's fun to explain every single day. I miss the nights in the pub after work where a conversation with one work colleague can turn into a group of 10-15 of us all chewing the fat. I'm not listing everything on here as Rob probably had a character limit. 😂

Oh and it's apparently illegal to go and spend some time withy parents. I still am mind but come one, that rule is utterly ridiculous.
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Yep we all miss chilling with friends, popping out on a whim, bumping into strangers unexpectedly and chatting, putting the world to rights. I have no doubt we will be doing all this and more. Hospitality will come back and thrive, us Brits will demand it and before you know it you’ll be so busy, run off your feet, you‘ll be too knackered to chew the fat after closing. Hospitality will once again be the lifeblood of our communities 😉 👍
 
I’d be more confident in a lockdown if I had confidence in the government to fix track and trace issues. However, even that isn’t a silver bullet. Germany has one of the best systems in the world and they are spiking too
 
atypical_boro said:
TBH I miss my nearly 4 year old being able to legally see his friends & family. Especially given that people of his age group, according to the research, neither spread the virus nor suffer from its symptoms.

At what point do we start putting the young on a level pegging with the old? We're currently in the process (or trying to) of robbing millions of youngsters (right up to early adulthood) of their youths. That simply cannot be a good thing. And I don't, pragmatically, think we can fully expect their co-operation. Just saying it how I see it, not saying its right or wrong but we have to be realistic about human/teenage behaviour and the fatigue people are feeling.
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Sure it’s tough, but kids are resilient and this will all pass. It’s a great opportunity for you to spend more quality time with your four year old, It’s a cliche but it’s true, they grow up so fast and 4 is a great age.

We all had some respite over the summer and although it’s not ideal, we are going to have to adapt our lives to summer and winter behaviour. Hunker down in the winter and enjoy the summer, I think we’ll all really appreciate next summer when it comes.

This current situation isn’t the life that we all expected to live, but imagine If we’d been born in a third world country, what sort of life would we have to look forward to?

Stay strong and stay safe, we’ll get through this.
 
atypical_boro said:
TBH I miss my nearly 4 year old being able to legally see his friends & family. Especially given that people of his age group, according to the research, neither spread the virus nor suffer from its symptoms.

At what point do we start putting the young on a level pegging with the old? We're currently in the process (or trying to) of robbing millions of youngsters (right up to early adulthood) of their youths. That simply cannot be a good thing. And I don't, pragmatically, think we can fully expect their co-operation. Just saying it how I see it, not saying its right or wrong but we have to be realistic about human/teenage behaviour and the fatigue people are feeling.

I can handle not going to the match, not going on holiday and not really going to the pub. But how anyone expects a 15+ year old to live with all this for potentially years to come is beyond me.
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They have TikTok for now 😉
 
RandySavage said:
Meeting friends on a whim, chilling out at one another's houses. My kids, although still only young thank god, don't understand why they can't play round at their friends houses and vice versa, that's fun to explain every single day. I miss the nights in the pub after work where a conversation with one work colleague can turn into a group of 10-15 of us all chewing the fat. I'm not listing everything on here as Rob probably had a character limit. 😂

Oh and it's apparently illegal to go and spend some time with my parents. I still am mind but come one, that rule is utterly ridiculous.
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Yeah it’s tough, but you can still chew the fat with mates and parents either outdoors or on the phone and you can still have fun with your immediate family.
You can still chew the fat with workmates as far as I know, I certainly do. Pubs will reopen properly in the future and they’ll be more popular than ever.
It’s tough at the moment, but stay strong it won’t last forever.
 
EI_Owen said:
Sure it’s tough, but kids are resilient and this will all pass. It’s a great opportunity for you to spend more quality time with your four year old, It’s a cliche but it’s true, they grow up so fast and 4 is a great age.

We all had some respite over the summer and although it’s not ideal, we are going to have to adapt our lives to summer and winter behaviour. Hunker down in the winter and enjoy the summer, I think we’ll all really appreciate next summer when it comes.

This current situation isn’t the life that we all expected to live, but imagine If we’d been born in a third world country, what sort of life would we have to look forward to?

Stay strong and stay safe, we’ll get through this.
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4 year olds are resilient, you could argue, but teenagers aren't.

I spend **** loads of time with my 4 year old (3 whole days per week out of 7 and almost all evenings) but in the course of 8 months I think its fair to say he'd have liked to have seen a lot more of his friends/cousins/grandparents/uncles/aunties etc. He sees plenty of me in truth.

You're right that it could be worse, ie in parts of the third world, but most people are using their previous life as a yardstick rather than the worst life they can possibly imagine. Its hard not to do that, and as I say, its teenagers and young adults I feel the most sorry for.
 
I've been wondering for a while now if this latest approach is a subtle change of tactics by the government (more akin to the Swedish model?) I'm fairly the government are aware that the current approach is unlikely to meet its objectives in the short term and with other similar European countries starting to lockdown again, I think any delay of more than 2-3 weeks is likely to be evidence of an, at least private, change of approach.
 
atypical_boro said:
4 year olds are resilient, you could argue, but teenagers aren't.

I spend **** loads of time with my 4 year old (3 whole days per week out of 7 and almost all evenings) but in the course of 8 months I think its fair to say he'd have liked to have seen a lot more of his friends/cousins/grandparents/uncles/aunties etc. He sees plenty of me in truth.

You're right that it could be worse, ie in parts of the third world, but most people are using their previous life as a yardstick rather than the worst life they can possibly imagine. Its hard not to do that, and as I say, its teenagers and young adults I feel the most sorry for.
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Yeah it’s hardest on the teenagers and young adults, but if we all stick to the guidelines this will be over an awful lot quicker.
 
EI_Owen said:
I think it’s more likely that if everyone just does what they want instead.
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I don't doubt your sentiment, but part of the challenge is getting people to buy into it when they don't all see it the same way and when you have a leadership that quite literally seems to do what it wants (or at least tries to until they are photographed etc).
 
No for me.
We need to learn to live with this, for all we know this could be around for years.

Lockdown does not make it go away; even if we had stayed in lockdown a month or two longer, we would have faced this second spike. I also think lockdowns probably lead to a spike in reckless behaviour once they end, which also undoes much of the point of then.

I do not think a cycle of lockdowns followed by spikes in the infection rate is the solution. Better to find an equilibrium.
 
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