Scathing attack on government Covid-19 response

bear66 said:
@Cuthbert - I was very critical of the Labour government. If you are interested in my posting history, you'd have known that.

I posted about the lack of ICU beds in another post. One of my parents died under Labour and the other under Conservative. Both died of pneumonia and neither was in an ICU when they were struggling to breathe. Hopefully the country will question whether we have enough ICU beds for a normal winter after this.
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Fair enough mate. (y)(y)

Hopefully the Govt haven't got this as wrong as you fear they might have.
 
I love it that I am being asked to calm down, all,the while seeing a government that is doing virtually nothing. Surely stopping people coming in from areas that are locked down would be common sense. I see some sense in the government’s position in trying to flatten out the effects of the virus so that the NHS and other services can cope better but it seems counterintuitive to me and a growing number of experts around the world (not claiming any expertise myself of course) asking for stronger and more decisive actions. The government policies we are using so far haven’t worked ANYWHERE ELSE.
 
bear66 said:
Did you see the tic box of actions taken by other countries on Newsnight last night. We had no tics; other countries had 2 to 5 tics on types of actions taken.
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I didn't see that no. I'm sure you'd agree that there are different actions to be taken at different phases/stages? (If we are weeks behind other countries, then we will take those actions in due course).

I think some of what you're saying is that we don't seem to be learning from them (those other countries), despite having an apparent advantage. You could well be right on that.

I share your concern about the NHS being overwhelmed. I really hope that the UK can avoid a situation like they have in Italy.
 
Thanks Adi. (y)

As I mentioned, I was at a restaurant last night, and the owner was saying how many cancellations he'd had already for the next few weeks.

We're seeing footballers getting the virus now too.

So, despite not being Govt enforced, I think restaurants, domestic lock down, and sporting events are going to happen anyway already, to some extent. [That's just stating a personal observation, not commenting on whether it's good or bad].
 
In order to 'get Brexit done' we have got ourselves a Prime Minister who is incompetent and has to do as he is told by another man. A man who nobody voted for. A man who appears to be very 'idealogical'.

All those other countries with lots of X's in boxes above dont have this problem.
 
It does seem to me that a more aggressive approach in order to keep infections to a minimum would be far better than what we are doing now.
The problem, if visiting supermarkets this week is any indication, is that people are already panicked quite a bit and if we've missed the boat of getting on top of the transmission period so to speak and we see an exponential increase in cases then the panic will only get worse.
The figures Adi provided via that article do seem to back a more aggressive approach.
 
dooderooni said:
It does seem to me that a more aggressive approach in order to keep infections to a minimum would be far better than what we are doing now.
The problem, if visiting supermarkets this week is any indication, is that people are already panicked quite a bit and if we've missed the boat of getting on top of the transmission period so to speak and we see an exponential increase in cases then the panic will only get worse.
The figures Adi provided via that article do seem to back a more aggressive approach.
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That’s what I don’t understand about the Chief Scientific Adviser’s comments this morning. He’s basically saying that we need to ride it out, so that we eventually obtain ‘herd immunity’.

Then in his next breath, he points to the improved situation in Wuhan as evidence that it can be controlled (which has been achieved through very aggressive measures).

So which is it, ride it out or clamp down hard on it?
 
When I was in Canada I got a sickness bug that does the rounds of the school's every winter. They shake it off in 24 hours, for me it was about a week so I can understand trying to build up a herd immunity. The problem is, by letting it infect huge numbers for that to even have a chance of working, you are potentially exposing large numbers of high risk patients who might not survive the first infection.
 
dooderooni said:
When I was in Canada I got a sickness bug that does the rounds of the school's every winter. They shake it off in 24 hours, for me it was about a week so I can understand trying to build up a herd immunity. The problem is, by letting it infect huge numbers for that to even have a chance of working, you are potentially exposing large numbers of high risk patients who might not survive the first infection.
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That seems to be the Government plan. To get as many infected as possible as early as possible, hopefully managing the critical cases without too much public uproar.
 
Cooper6711 said:
Well that's me reassured. I won't bother with the chief medical advisor
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Show me anything, any sort of evidence that points towards herd immunity being possible with covid-19 without a vaccine. It's playing god with a lot of people's lives.
 
Chappy112 said:
Show me anything, any sort of evidence that points towards herd immunity being possible with covid-19 without a vaccine. It's playing god with a lot of people's lives.
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You'd have to ask the chief medical officer. I'm sure he has it. Maybe if you have something that disproves it you could show him. A bit like Jeff Goldblum in Independence Day where he goes to the White House to show the code he found.
 
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