This meeting with Gibson

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AytonMews said:
Because sometimes things will have to be said off the record to substantiate / back up a point being made.

It’s got to be better than an answer like “we tried for a striker in Jan, but couldn’t make it work”
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Mate, my point is this:
3 hours of discussions and all we know is that the U-18 pricing has been reduced. Must have been packed with off the record comments.
Ok by you maybe, but I think more, when possible, should be shared with the wider fanbase. That is not unreasonable, not by any measure.
 
fmttmadmin said:
The reason early birds are so early - we found that out - at our level clubs with the earliest renewals literally have the cash available to bid for the transfers right at the start of the window.
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I saw on another post that some other clubs had set their renewal date the same date, so it can’t be coincidence
 
Alot of this could of been avoided by the club. That initial email they sent out they should of atleast thanked us for our support. We all spend a fortune each season on season tickets, away games, £10 quid match passes ( I always buy for games I can't attend as like to donate to the club). But you do all that and the club send you a email saying the price is rising with no acknowledgement or stating the reasons for the rise was very insulting.
 
Boro4life said:
Alot of this could of been avoided by the club. That initial email they sent out they should of atleast thanked us for our support. We all spend a fortune each season on season tickets, away games, £10 quid match passes ( I always buy for games I can't attend as like to donate to the club). But you do all that and the club send you a email saying the price is rising with no acknowledgement or stating the reasons for the rise was very insulting.
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Yep true and they won't do it again I am sure of that.
 
Boro4life said:
Alot of this could of been avoided by the club. That initial email they sent out they should of atleast thanked us for our support. We all spend a fortune each season on season tickets, away games, £10 quid match passes ( I always buy for games I can't attend as like to donate to the club). But you do all that and the club send you a email saying the price is rising with no acknowledgement or stating the reasons for the rise was very insulting.
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This is true. And I think the club will have learnt the hard way.

It seemed like it was rushed out
 
fmttmadmin said:
Last night was debate and argument about prices. Lots of stats from the club and some real passion from the chairman. Equal passion from the fans. And I am not going to divide up between RF and the Forum because it simply did not work that way. Am hoping we can get some of this info published. Or an interview about it. It is all in the accounts of course but you need to be an accountant don't you. And I am not.
Anyway, there was a long time deciding on where we could get to at the end of the meeting. What could we say. In the end it was decided we should issue a joint statement. I know some of the fans wanted the club to make the running but others and the club really wanted it to be joint. And that was the way around it was as well.
I managed to miss the club statement today. But we would like some of the points Steve Gibson made to come out.
In truth I think everyone is slightly drained now.
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Rob - that helpful response is really appreciated.
 
fmttmadmin said:
It is lets focus our efforts on back to back wins. Lets be fans and avenge that defeat in the SW.
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Not having a go at you personally, but this mindset is what needs to be pushed away. Everything is quashed as we HAVE to support the team over speaking out about issues.

RF on their own have brought these concessions, if they hadnt pushed the protest no one else would of, and it would be just pay up because you NEED to support the team.
Just imagine if certain fan groups/figures or 'collective' had backed RF's protest instead of focusing on feeling like they need to support the team and not fellow fans.
Hopefully this is a wake up call for how powerful fans are, and especially when united together even if the issue doesnt involve them. The club will think again about future drastic decisions.
 
morrissey said:
Mate, my point is this:
3 hours of discussions and all we know is that the U-18 pricing has been reduced. Must have been packed with off the record comments.
Ok by you maybe, but I think more, when possible, should be shared with the wider fanbase. That is not unreasonable, not by any measure.
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Sorry I am knackered to be honest.
Yes, after a lot of back and forth I think the fans all agreed to have regular meetings together in one body with the football club. Well, I thought we had. I hope so. Seriously when Red Faction work within an overall forum it can work so well for all the fans.

The football club gave undertakings for regular structured discussions going much deeper into matters. Participating in a lot more policy.
They want everything to be a lot more open.
 
AytonMews said:
Because sometimes things will have to be said off the record to substantiate / back up a point being made.

It’s got to be better than an answer like “we tried for a striker in Jan, but couldn’t make it work”
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People like the truth . If we are on the bones , tell us, then we won't have high expectations above our station .
It would actually unite the fans .
Millwall of the north . But bigger .
 
MikeSkinner said:
Not having a go at you personally, but this mindset is what needs to be pushed away. Everything is quashed as we HAVE to support the team over speaking out about issues.

RF on their own have brought these concessions, if they hadnt pushed the protest no one else would of, and it would be just pay up because you NEED to support the team.
Just imagine if certain fan groups/figures or 'collective' had backed RF's protest instead of focusing on feeling like they need to support the team and not fellow fans.
Hopefully this is a wake up call for how powerful fans are, and especially when united together even if the issue doesnt involve them. The club will think again about future drastic decisions.
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You don't know why and how decisions were reached. Look, it was me that successfully pleaded the case for the renewal period to be lengthened. I didn't come away from that conversation thinking where were other fan groups in that discussion. I sent a message and then had several phone calls explaining the ins and outs of that situation. But I was taking my lead from many different posters and their arguments.
Some of the fans around the table last night wanted to walk out on Saturday. Some didn't want to renew - am not going to say which was which or who was who.
I will say to you I wasn't going to walk out. I wanted to strike a deal to ensure there was no walk out - that was my personal goal. I brought up the match long ago when Lee Cattermole cried. I explained I spoke to him not long after that match and asked him why he cried. He said quite simply the toxic crowd that day totally got to him. I was saying this to explain that actions in the stands would have consequences on the pitch and perhaps in the dug out.
 
Boro4life said:
For one have the clubs kit available to buy year round. The amount of lost sales having no stock for majority of the year is ridiculous

Then I do feel the club need to show behind the scenes more even maybe go to a streaming company and create a documentary like Wrexham and Sunderland have done build up the global fan base etc.

The club have to be alot more commercially aware.
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Raise Millions 😂😂😂😂😂

Stock at around 10-15% net margin maximum to raise even one million extra would need 10-15 million through the till.

Global audience building?? Sunlun? Really?? Wrexham?? Still losing money hand over fist.

Global audiences bring global day trippers anyway, and that’s when clubs really hate season ticket holders. Why block a seat with some bloke whose been coming for years and may buy a pint or buy a shirt once a year rather than 19 day trippers a season at walk up plus prices and 19 visits to the shop?

It’s dead easy this revenue generation innit

Absolute classic!
 
danamfc said:
wrong again. firstly, i’ve been to ONE meeting with the club and it was an introductory one - i’m barely in the circle. i am against the price rises, i don’t agree with them at all. what i don’t like is misrepresentation, and this is the issue i have here.

red faction have been incredibly important, they really have, but i also know that members of MSF have really tried. they’ve pushed and have put forward their views, concerns and ideas to MFC. at the end of the day, it’s not up to them to implement them - it’s up to the club, so i take issue with this idea that the fan reps are useless. they’re not, at all. people want someone to blame for this mess, but it’s not MSF.

i do think communication after meetings could be improved. we need to move away from it being a closed shop type thing. i hope people can appreciate that not EVERYTHING can be reported after these discussions, but less ambiguity would reduce these unfortunate and quite disheartening narratives imo
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You’re on the radio every week representing Middlesbrough as part of the match day team are you not? Sorry, that’s in the circle. As is Rob. You both have more access to the club than 99% of us. Sorry, but that makes me sceptical, if that’s wrong then I apologise.

And fantastic, they voice their concerns. Nothing changes. I’m not blaming MSF, I just don’t see what they’ve achieved with all these meetings we’re not privy to. Ticket prices keep going up, fans aren’t consulted beforehand, everything that is communicated to us about these meetings doesn’t happen.

RF threaten action once and make headway.
 
Simply red said:
People like the truth . If we are on the bones , tell us, then we won't have high expectations above our station .
It would actually galvanise the fans .
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You have seen the books. Without Steve Gibson we have absolutely gone as a club. Totally gone..

He made a point last night - look at Stoke City owned by the Coates family in the top 20 rich list in the country - worth £billions yet FFP says they cannot put any more money into their club than Steve Gibson. Look which league they are playing in. Look where they are in that league.
 
fmttmadmin said:
I will say to you I wasn't going to walk out. I wanted to strike a deal to ensure there was no walk out - that was my personal goal. I brought up the match long ago when Lee Cattermole cried. I explained I spoke to him not long after that match and asked him why he cried. He said quite simply the toxic crowd that day totally got to him. I was saying this to explain that actions in the stands would have consequences on the pitch and perhaps in the dug out.
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How can you strike a deal without having any leverage though? The actions of walking out could very well have impacted the team and that’s something Gibson wouldn’t have wanted. It appears to be what brought him to the table and ultimately how things moved forward. It’s a moot point really but our season is finished anyway so it’s all but a dead rubber.
Nobody wants to resort to walking out on the team but sometimes the ends justify the means.

I’d like to add that I’ll be eternally grateful to Steve Gibson for the support he’s provided, is providing and hopefully will continue to provide going forward.

You know, just in case he’s reading 👀
 
fmttmadmin said:
Because people would feel inhibited in what they say. It starts to get to people when they are being ridiculed on social media. Or in the street.
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It would give them accountability, which is clear they have zero from the recurring themes in the fans forum meetings you have
 
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