As a fan - as an individual:

Norman_Conquest said:
If you two don't think that threads being posted on who replaces Carrick and how long we give being asked or stating he's out of his depth and no plan B isn't questioning his tenure, then I don't know what is.
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All I have seen is people commenting on how similar this start fits with previous seasons, whereby the manager has been replaced. I haven’t seen anyone asking for his head at this point. What’s wrong with asking who may replace him if they were to be sacked? Also, do you think the club wouldn’t have contingencies in place?
 
BumTrumpet57 said:
All I have seen is people commenting on how similar this start fits with previous seasons, whereby the manager has been replaced. I haven’t seen anyone asking for his head at this point. What’s wrong with asking who may replace him if they were to be sacked? Also, do you think the club wouldn’t have contingencies in place?
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Exactly.

Claims have been made about people saying all sorts of things today and predictably they have not been substantiated.
 
BumTrumpet57 said:
All I have seen is people commenting on how similar this start fits with previous seasons, whereby the manager has been replaced. I haven’t seen anyone asking for his head at this point. What’s wrong with asking who may replace him if they were to be sacked? Also, do you think the club wouldn’t have contingencies in place?
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It makes me laugh that anyone is even thinking about who could replace Carrick when it was only a few months back people were worried if WHU poached him. How many times last season did he turn losing positions into winning?

Give the guy the time he needs and he will sort out this difficult time - we are going into an international break and I honestly feel we will see what these players are capable of on their return.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
It makes me laugh that anyone is even thinking about who could replace Carrick when it was only a few months back people were worried if WHU poached him. How many times last season did he turn losing positions into winning?

Give the guy the time he needs and he will sort out this difficult time - we are going into an international break and I honestly feel we will see what these players are capable of on their return.
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For the record, I am not wanting Carrick to be replaced. However, the team being built is his team, not Wilders. They are now not turning losing positions into winning positions (barring the cup game against a League One side) and haven’t since at least April. He hasn’t rectified the defensive frailties which the success of last season’s attack papered over.

I agree, he does need more time, but IMHO that should not be exhaustive and at the expense of relegation.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
It makes me laugh that anyone is even thinking about who could replace Carrick when it was only a few months back people were worried if WHU poached him. How many times last season did he turn losing positions into winning?

Give the guy the time he needs and he will sort out this difficult time - we are going into an international break and I honestly feel we will see what these players are capable of on their return.
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Oops sorry Norman, I suffer with premature recirculation, I’ll try not to hoof it post Blackburn 😉

Agree Carrick is a must keep for me, he isn’t the problem, one man needs closer scrutiny though and, how can I put it….. seems to be getting away Scott free at present, but there is time yet, just a shame lots from yesterday wont be at Boro to be coached in the break.
 
BumTrumpet57 said:
For the record, I am not wanting Carrick to be replaced. However, the team being built is his team, not Wilders. They are now not turning losing positions into winning positions (barring the cup game against a League One side) and haven’t since at least April. He hasn’t rectified the defensive frailties which the success of last season’s attack papered over.

I agree, he does need more time, but IMHO that should not be exhaustive and at the expense of relegation.
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I agree the defense needs addressing but he's also had to deal with injuries and then a ban to the right back position. I feel we should have purchased a left back and had a backup plan when we didn't get Giles (was he ever really a realistic choice). The question I would like to ask is what involvement does Carrick have in buying players or is he only there to play the hand he is dealt?
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I agree the defense needs addressing but he's also had to deal with injuries and then a ban to the right back position. I feel we should have purchased a left back and had a backup plan when we didn't get Giles (was he ever really a realistic choice). The question I would like to ask is what involvement does Carrick have in buying players or is he only there to play the hand he is dealt?
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I think any manager who does not demand involvement in whom is bought is a fool. They have to coach them and ultimately get a tune out of them on matchday. They are also the face of everything in front of the media, which means they will absolutely be the scapegoat if everything goes wrong.

In direct answer to your question, I don’t know what actual involvement he does have. I don’t hold out much hope he has much, if the feedback from previous managers is anything to go by.
 
I like Michael Carrick, I think what he achieved as a player and over coming some difficulties with his mental health, I think he comes across as a top man. That said he can only use the tools available at his disposal. I don't have a doubt in my mind that the bloke hasn't gone back to Mr Scott and Mr Gibson and said this is what we need to aim for the top two in this league. He has and is just starting his management journey and will make mistakes, it's how quick he adapts to them mistakes that will ultimately make or break him as a manager. I also think those above him needs to decide what they want for this football club because buying untested players is a risk and buying players that are surplus to requirements at our rival clubs is risky, simply because if they were that talented these clubs wouldn't be allowing them to leave. I truly believe Michael Carrick has little or no say on who joins this club and that's down to those above him. It needs sorting once and for all because starting football seasons and giving teams a heads start on us may come back to bite us on the a rse.
 
BumTrumpet57 said:
For the record, I am not wanting Carrick to be replaced. However, the team being built is his team, not Wilders. They are now not turning losing positions into winning positions (barring the cup game against a League One side) and haven’t since at least April. He hasn’t rectified the defensive frailties which the success of last season’s attack papered over.

I agree, he does need more time, but IMHO that should not be exhaustive and at the expense of relegation.
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This is just my opinion, but we’re are nowhere near the pressing team we once were and thats an issue. We are not defending from the front, the midfield is allowing itself to get dragged all over leaving the defence wide open too. The number of times we allow midfielders to advance unchecked and allowed to shoot is woeful.

When we are in transition and lose possession stupidly at times with wayward passing we have too many gaps in behind for opposition runners to advance in. I believe our midfield is as big an issue as the defence itself. I am hoping O’Brien makes a significant difference in that central area with his energy and box to box athleticism. We need the experienced players to start and keep the inexperienced newbies to a minimum till we are sure they have the correct discipline.
 
coluka said:
This is just my opinion, but we’re are nowhere near the pressing team we once were and thats an issue. We are not defending from the front, the midfield is allowing itself to get dragged all over leaving the defence wide open too. The number of times we allow midfielders to advance unchecked and allowed to shoot is woeful.

When we are in transition and lose possession stupidly at times with wayward passing we have too many gaps in behind for opposition runners to advance in. I believe our midfield is as big an issue as the defence itself. I am hoping O’Brien makes a significant difference in that central area with his energy and box to box athleticism. We need the experienced players to start and keep the inexperienced newbies to a minimum till we are sure they have the correct discipline.
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Absolutely agree with your take on it. I very much include the midfield in those defensive responsibilities. Howson, Hackney and Barlaser are not defensively capable or minded, whereby we have been crying out for someone who can break the play up and be more of a shield. I don’t know much about this Lewis O’Brien, but like you am hoping he can address this issue to some extent.

At present, we are causing our own downfall, not opposition teams playing amazing football against us and carving us open at will. However, I fear that will happen against the stronger teams (Southampton, Leicester etc) and we get an absolute pummelling. That is when MC would truly come under pressure.
 
r00fie1 said:
As a fan - as an individual:
Its absolutely disgusting reading some of the vile and vitriolic nonsense on FMTTM after yesterday`s game.
Neither other fans, players, Michael Carrick, the Recruitment Team nor Steve Gibson, deserve to be treated with the evident utter contempt.
Idealism is fine, but feet on the floor and weathering the storm requires balls and character.
We have to suck it in, put the teddies back in the pram, get behind the whole club and support the lads.
Constructive criticism is welcome, but if you believe shouting and yelling is going to solve the issues - you will be disappointed.

Lets hold it together.
UTMB!
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Rah rah rah.
Don't read them if it makes you feel so disgusted.
Why are you bothered what other peoples thoughts are. You are just another fan who posts sometimes on a message board
 
It always hurts when Boro lose. Especially when they play poorly. I go home, curse them, call them a load of shyte and vow never to go back again to watch that rubbish. But I'm there at the next game. I just can't help it. ( Not this season unfortunately, bad back has put a stop to all that)
My opinion- for what it is worth is that Carrick ran out of close season. He has brought players in towards the end of the close season who have not had a chance to work together yet. Give him and the team time and it will work out right.
 
Blf said:
Rah rah rah.
Don't read them if it makes you feel so disgusted.
Why are you bothered what other peoples thoughts are. You are just another fan who posts sometimes on a message board
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He’s simply delivering his superfan war cry. That very statement will then activate all the Boro superfans wherever they are in the World to don a full Boro kit, grin as widely as possible and clap like a retarded Seal.
 
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Norman_Conquest said:
Like I said on another thread, it is amazing how many new user names appear after a defeat or a bad run of results. The majority know they are spouting rubbish and don’t want it associated with their main board name.

I wouldn’t like to be in the trenches with some of these. 🤔
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I'll be honest, I was too down to read any posts since the defeat. This is the first one. I've kept myself busy in the garden instead.
If people are angry and suggesting change then that is their perogative surely? Not much different to people moaning if Crooks is played up front, or if McGree is dropped or whatever.
It isn’t up to other posters to dictate what opinions are allowed.
And with regard to the trenches, I think maybe I would rather be with someone that shows a bit of passion and wants to take action. Rather than someone who is happy to sit and wait, trying to convince everyone that everything will be OK if they do nothing.
Though apart from viewing the harrowing footage of the Russian trenches I've never been close to any trenches, so might be talking rubbish of course.
 
Will_Graham said:
It isn’t up to other posters to dictate what opinions are allowed.
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No one is dictating what fans can or can't post but I did highlight the number of new usernames posting criticism and questioned if they had another pseudonym that they don't want the criticism linked to.
 
DidsburySmog92 said:
Good post.

The biggest disappointment and concern for me is how quick the fans are turning. I have been to every game this season so far (Blackburn will be the first I miss due to a holiday clash) and it has been hard going but we all accepted it was going to be hard. The squad is in a transition period.

It is clear that we are working under constraints. That will be hard for Carrick, Woodgate, coaching staff, Scott, Gibson and also for fans.

But fans are part of this - if we create toxicity it will make the situation worse. Yesterday was pretty toxic to be honest. We have a role to play and part of it is patience and support.
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It shouldn’t be though. We finished 4th last season. We had the foundations to build on our success we haven’t we have went down the brighton Brentford model to a degree and the players we have picked up are poor players it’s not there fault they are good lads they try silvera is raw young could come good but a development player. Rogers doesn’t look great same with engle no player deserves abuse no manager deserves abuse and Gibson doesn’t either. People have every right to be critical and concerned however. You can’t expect the ground to be bouncing when 26,000 people came out to watch a supposed promotion contender condemned to there 4th league defeat in 5 against the relegation favourites
 
B17er said:
I think part of the issue is there are so many voices and platforms for those voices that people use hyperbole when raising concerns in order to be heard. This, in my opinion raises toxicity levels and is a big part of the issue. Take Sammy Silvera as an example. On another thread he was described as "a terrible, terrible footballer". This is not true. He is however a young lad, playing in a foreign country in a league that is notoriously tough. If he takes 6 month to get up to speed he is doing well. How does that terrible comment help in any way? I am sure the players will read this board and I just cringe at some of the posts. It doesn't need to be that toxic.

You would think our fans would realise what can happen to a player with a bit of confidence and support. Only last season we had a player that was written off by large majority of the fans before the season started and those same fans were chanting his name and begging for him to stay.
Hackney was another that was written off after a poor spell at Scunthorpe, but is now in the England Under 21 squad.

Get behind the team, support the team as that is what we are after all..."Supporters".
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I agree regarding silvera he’s not terrible. But he’s simply not ready you can’t afford to have players who might come good by march. He is very young but ultimately looks a bit lost. He’s shown promise but the championship is eating him alive. People get behind the team myself included but we’re just extremely disappointed with what we’re seeing
 
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