BBC Tees have wound up Chuba Akpom

The Giles one makes sense. Presumably we wouldn't/couldn't match Luton's finances on the deal (the fact he's gone there would confirm that).

We'll likely never know the Chuba situation. I've thought all along they're trying to sell him.

If we're playing hard ball over wages that is a side effect of an improved recruitment system, i.e. if Akpom won't work within our wage constraints for that system well move onto the next target who will.
 
Zoophonic said:
And hopefully never reads this board by the same sentiment. It could be he has already agreed to sign making all this kerfuffle meaningless.
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Footballers notoriously have plenty of spare time (and generally quite high opinions of themselves) - I'd be amazed if they the majority don't all read what goes on.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
Warnock was sacked because he was a gobshite who had the team under performing. Schwarzer left us 16 years ago, and so if you're going back to then to make your point (when only the chairman remains from that time) then I'd say you're point is pretty weak.
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I think it was the manner he was sacked in that Otto was referring to
 
ForssAwakens said:
For me the club has been unprofessional for some time. The something off about the culture at the club. When Pulis and Warnock call for wholesale changes the alarm bells were ringing

I thought we had turned the corner out wilder behind us erc but we get to another summer window and it seems we’re at loggerheads again

Also brings into light what actually happened last summer.

Even at the carrick press conference there we snide remarks about wilder, which again you can file under unprofessional
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who is at loggerheads sorry?
 
ForssAwakens said:
I think it was the manner he was sacked in that Otto was referring to
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Well he lied about the manner he was sacked so how do we decide which version to believe? I think he told the radio he’d been sacked that morning and told the telly he’d been told on the Wednesday or Thursday and kept it from the players ahead of the game. It was something like that. TBH he’d probably forgot which story he’d told which people. He’s probably done it in the press throughout his career but you only really notice it when he’s managing your club.
 
If you were to sign the top scorer in the Championship and league player of the year, who scored 28 league goals from No 10, who linked up play in style, then you'd expect to pay him more than £27k per week.
At just turned 28 you would expect to offer him a 3 year contract.

If you weren't prepared to pay it, you would not get him to sign.
If the club don't see him as worth it then that tells you a fair bit about their ambition.

If they can't persuade him to stay then they can not blame him for wanting to capitalise on his status. He really does owe this club absolutely nothing given his performances last season, his conduct and the fact that he will generate a healthy profit on sale.

The club has paid higher wages to all manner of rubbish in recent times, yet they won't pay less than he would settle for, for our top scorer in over 50 years and fan favourite.

If they had signed Archer, Ramsey, Giles, or at least other players of equal quality then I would have more sympathy.
We kick off on saturday without our best players from last season (Akpom, Archer, Ramsey, Howson) and without a full back on either flank. Oh and having signed a few punts.

Am really getting the Scott masterplan 21 months in.
 
changingman said:
The Giles one makes sense. Presumably we wouldn't/couldn't match Luton's finances on the deal (the fact he's gone there would confirm that).

We'll likely never know the Chuba situation. I've thought all along they're trying to sell him.

If we're playing hard ball over wages that is a side effect of an improved recruitment system, i.e. if Akpom won't work within our wage constraints for that system well move onto the next target who will.
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That account is alluding that he verbally agreed a deal, then Luton offered more and he reneged on his verbal agreement. No idea if that is true or not, but either way I he's made a poor personal decision in goin to Luton that will showcase the worst part of his game.

Akpom, clearly no agreement reached yet. If Akpom wasn't wanting to resign with us, then I doubt he'd get into this spat. The question is, are the club close to an agreement or are they actively trying to cash in on him?
 
wilkos_perm said:
who is at loggerheads sorry?
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Seems he different loggerhead scenario each year. Maybe I should say it feels like loggerheads as that what it feels like to me, but you are right o can’t be certain people are

We can assume that no agreement has been met for akpom, therefore feels loggerheads over contracts

We get the feeling that recruitment and wilder had a difference of opinion last year etc

Warnock and recruitment as well
 
Easterside_Red said:
Told by whom is a pretty important factor in your assertion. I mean it could've been @Nobby_Barnes then we'd all know it was ridiculous.
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Agree with that. Is it an agent, a club employee, a fellow journalist. TBH you can read this sort of sh*t in every single newspaper across the land these days. The Guardian are currently back on with their quest to get Moyes out at West Ham, for example, by talking of ‘insiders’ and ‘tension’. Parts of The Athletic is riddled with it. Almost all of it pure conjecture and idle speculation passed off as fact.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
A journalist reporting what's he been told, ob a subject that has huge interest from fans, is not "gossoping", its journalism.
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Journalism would look into both sides. Chuba's reaction would suggest that hasn't happened.

The last thing we need on the brink of a new season is some biased rabble rousing.

Perhaps Mark Drury has trolled us all to bump the listener stats for the podcast.
 
wilkos_perm said:
it probably depends on the reliability of the information
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northriding said:
Journalism would look into both sides. Chuba's reaction would suggest that hasn't happened.

The last thing we need on the brink of a new season is some biased rabble rousing.

Perhaps Mark Drury has trolled us all to bump the listener stats for the podcast.
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I'd guarantee the source is MFC, it's patently obvious.
They're reporting what they've been told, it's really very simple.
 
ForssAwakens said:
For me the club has been unprofessional for some time. The something off about the culture at the club. When Pulis and Warnock call for wholesale changes the alarm bells were ringing

I thought we had turned the corner out wilder behind us erc but we get to another summer window and it seems we’re at loggerheads again

Also brings into light what actually happened last summer.

Even at the carrick press conference there we snide remarks about wilder, which again you can file under unprofessional
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I wouldn’t read too much into what those two had to say. They’ll both say whatever paints them in a positive light and that’s it. No honesty in either of them.
 
The_Lizards_Jumpers said:
Warnock was sacked because he was a gobshite who had the team under performing. Schwarzer left us 16 years ago, and so if you're going back to then to make your point (when only the chairman remains from that time) then I'd say you're point is pretty weak.
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I don't think it's weak at all, you might disagree, that's fair enough.

Warnock, wasn't my cup of tea either, but he came in and did a job and when he went to pick up his stuff they were appointing a new manager so wouldn't let him in, pretty shabby treatment in my opinion.

Downing I believe was promised a coaching role, the chairman reneged on that, that's about five years ago.

Wilder again, didn't do himself any favours, but the whispering campaign against him since he left has been unedifying.

They are recent examples, which I can think of off the top of my head. Plenty more over the years. We rarely part on good terms, because in my opinion it has to be black and white, this time why does Akpom have to be made out to be the greedy guy? In reality, he was great for us last year and if he doesn't want to sign a new contract that's understandable given where we are and he is.
 
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Otto42 said:
I don't think it's weak at all, you might disagree, that's fair enough.

Warnock, wasn't my cup of tea either, but he came in and did a job and when he went to pick up his stuff they were appointing a new manager so wouldn't let him in, pretty shabby treatment in my opinion.

Downing I believe was promised a coaching role, the chairman reneged on that, that's about five years ago.

Wilder again, didn't do himself any favours, but the whispering campaign against him since he left has been unedifying.

They are recent examples, which I can think of off the top of my head. Plenty more over the years. We rarely part on good terms, because in my opinion it has to be black and white, this time why does Akpom have to be made out to be the greedy guy? In reality, he was great of us last year and if he doesn't want to sign a new contract that's understandable given where we are and he is.
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How many clubs sack employees nicely and without any fuss ?

How do you know we promised Downing a coaching role, was it announced ?

Besides as others have pointed out Warnock has peddled at least two different stories about how he came to lose his job.
 
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