Shamima Begum wins right to return to UK

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Whilst we talk about rights and freedom.....
Hows about upholding the right of journalists to hold Governments accountable for their wrong-doing.
Julian has been incarcerated for 11 years and now receives 23 hour solitary confinement in Bellmarsh Concentration Camp on British soil...
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Majority on here couldn't even begin to comprehend what he knows too. I'm talking stuff that brings down governments and administrations, puts people in jail, puts people on hitlists.
Yes.
Perhaps we will hang onto that for another thread.
Intelligence is one thing - possessing it is another.

An aside: I could never understand how the words "military intelligence" went together :LOL:(y)
 
Yes.
Perhaps we will hang onto that for another thread.
Intelligence is one thing - possessing it is another.

An aside: I could never understand how the words "military intelligence" went together :LOL:(y)
I look forward to that thread.
 
I just knew skin colour would come into this discussion on here as it does on so many other threads when race and skin colour are not the issue. As it happens both home secretaries who initially made the decision to strip her of her passport and subsequently give support for the decision were of the same skin colour.

I know. I said it was nothing to do with race.
 
There are a lot on here who have a great desire, like I, to see the back of this Government, install some socialist ideas like re-nationalisation of various industries, a national care service, near 5% rise in NHS budget, build 100k new homes, scrap pension age rise, scrapping UC, free travel for u/25’s, free broadband and much more. (All things that are laudable tbf). Following a national pandemic and a debt mountain, these things were largely unaffordable before mind and even less so now. However, some seem to believe we must have an even bigger magic money tree than May and Johnson found and that we can and should pay millions, as that what this Begum circus will cost. It will be lining the pockets of the wealthy law firms that they probably don’t like, as they are a superb example of whats wrong with capitalism (imho). On top of that she will cost £100,000s in future through state aid and supporting her safety leaving less money to go toward the ideals of the last Labour manifesto.

This case will be toxic to the bringing our country together, add to divisions, likely lead to unexpected unforeseeable consequences of increased terror attacks on innocent people or from far right violence to innocent law abiding Muslims. Create significant security Issues for our people and open the doors to others, all so someone who sewed victims into suicide vests and was involved with an illegal group that beheaded, raped Innocent Yazidi women, slaughtered people in cold blood and denounced the western way of life, all on a point of good old British principle. Her own family and solicitor have said they can’t be certain she wont pose a security risk if she returns. Despite all this, because she was born here and despite having rights through her family to live in bangladesh, using both International and Bangladeshi law.

Oh yes, of course, the old ridiculous argument that expecting her to live in bangladesh, a country she has never lived in before is unfair. Well, those who feel that is too harsh, tell me who was it that chose to live in Syria, to fight with ISIS? I can only assume they must have knowledge that she had visited and lived in Syria before and assume she didn’t have to build a life up from nothing over there In the midst of a battle where her life would be so much simpler and fairer than even in Bangladesh. she is such an innocent and would find it impossible in bangladesh If she had no other choice given that yeah?

This really is not about one 20yr olds rights. This is about the rights, security and safety of around 65M law abiding uk citizens and what we are prepared to accept as a nation, it will shape the behaviours of those like minded to Begum, affect the lives of the innocents who lose a life or loved one. I prefer prevention to cure personally. I really just do not get why people are happy to see our country go through this charade for someone Involved in such evil acts at huge cost to us all, risking our safety, on a point of principle. (awaits someone mentioning brexit). De radicalisation is simply far from guaranteed as recent terror acts have shown. Even If only one death occurs as a result of her return do people think it will have been worth it?

best post on the thread 👍🏻
 
https://rsf.org/en/free-assange
Whilst we talk about rights and freedom.....
Hows about upholding the right of journalists to hold Governments accountable for their wrong-doing.
Julian has been incarcerated for 11 years and now receives 23 hour solitary confinement in Bellmarsh Concentration Camp on British soil...
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I agree r00fie1 (y)

There was a time when I wouldn’t have, but given how the world is today and how things have moved on, I have to agree. I am seeing leaders like Trump, Johnson even Macron in France drive a coach and horses through the norms of Government. Leaders are getting far to right wing, ignoring due process and frankly behaving like dictatorships. Robert Mugabe would almost be proud with some of the abuse of privilege and bypassing of constitutional procedure. Putin has just done it too to ensure he remains in power. Shameful all across the globe.
I was quite proud of our constitution, but clearly it isn’t worth a fig, Johnson Cummings & Co have me shaking my head almost daily. I was wrong to trust Parliament to the degree i did
 
don’t think comparing the wind rush and terrorism is appropriate.
We didn’t want the white widow back either.
Nowt to do with skin colour. Her ideology is to destroy western values/beliefs. Impose different law and change the world as we know it.

Sounds like Corcaigh the Cat to me
 
The one where she nicked her 17 year old sister's passport to leave the country perhaps? A crime committed in this country.
Get to that one if she makes it back here if she was found not guilty of charges on the crimes committed in Syria.

Should the vile Maxwell be brought back to Britain to stand trial for the crimes it is alleged she has committed in the USA, when she has been detained in the USA?
 
Get to that one if she makes it back here if she was found not guilty of charges on the crimes committed in Syria.

Should the vile Maxwell be brought back to Britain to stand trial for the crimes it is alleged she has committed in the USA, when she has been detained in the USA?
Is she likely to stand trial for crimes committed in Syria?
 
Yes.
Perhaps we will hang onto that for another thread.
Intelligence is one thing - possessing it is another.

An aside: I could never understand how the words "military intelligence" went together :LOL:(y)
Roofie do you think it was right that he gave out information that other intelligence services easily understood who it was referencing put a lot of decent people at risk. People who try and make you and I safer.
 
Should the vile Maxwell be brought back to Britain to stand trial for the crimes it is alleged she has committed in the USA, when she has been detained in the USA?
No, and the reasons are in your question. Committed in USA - detained in USA.

SB has won the right to attend her own appeal against being stripped of her nationality so waiting for Syria to decide is not an option.
 
How about we give her the citizenship back and then she won’t need to come here for her appeal.

She can then remain detained in Syria and if they charge her she can stand trial there.
 
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