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Easterside_Red said:
I think this only applies to certain voters who support a particular 'brand' of Labour. That 'brand' being Corbyn-Momentum. None of them actually support the Labour Party or recognise it as a 'broad church'. They'll spout on about socialist values but I'd hazard a guess that beneath the surface they won't have a true socialist bone in their bodies.
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I am not so sure.

There are still a load of centrist and left leaning Labour supporters who dislike Starmer because he isn’t left wing enough, and they wont vote because of this.
 
Rofesleg said:
And if you keep insulting them rather than discussing with them they will no doubt continue to vote the same way.

Knock knock
- Good afternoon, can I ask how you voted at the last election?
- Conservative, although I would be interested in knowing......
- Shut up you filthy piece of scum, you are responsible for the death of thousands and millions live in hell because of you. You have no empathy you fcuking Tory kunt. You just want to cling onto power with your chubby little hands. I hope I can rely on your vote at the election.
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It feels like there’s no discussion to be had anymore with a group of people so oblivious and selfish to what’s going on in the country in front of their faces.

But as long as the little boats get stopped.
 
The_Big_Woodowski said:
Always makes me think… if the so called leaders and people at the top with all the best scientific information and up to date info from best brains in world behaved in that manner, was the risk as bad as made our?

If I had info that would cause the national lockdown and restrictions that where in place then I would have been 100% compliant. No if buts or grey areas.. the fact they never did but lined there pockets and pockets of the mates says it all
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There's a particular bias that probably has a name that explains this.

There was an Aussie Prime Minister in the 70s (ish?) who drowned after going for a swim in rough seas despite his mates telling him not to, and the fact he'd not long recovered from a heart attack.

He was alleged to have said someting along the lines of it being almost impossible for a PM to be caught up in something like a shark-attack or rip-tide etc. He saw his position as bestowing some extra odds in his favour. It's quite common apparently (cf. Johnson wanting to shake hands with Covid patients).
 
Easterside_Red said:
I think this only applies to certain voters who support a particular 'brand' of Labour. That 'brand' being Corbyn-Momentum. None of them actually support the Labour Party or recognise it as a 'broad church'.
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And yet you accused Corbyn of weak leadership because he expressly favoured a broad church over factionalism.

Make it make sense.
 
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Billy69_uk said:
Really? Which part? Enlighten me.
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Let's start with paragraph 1. You think that the Tories are scrapping amongst themselves because they will win the election and they already know this?

It's nonsense Billy.

You then use that as the basis for your other assertions, which is also wrong. Neither tory party members not Labour Party members decide an election. Elections are decided by about 250k swing voters who are not particularly aligned with any party.

I could go on but everything you said its inherently wrong.
 
Easterside_Red said:
I've done nothing of the sort.
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Apart from calling Corbyn a weak leader and accusing him of not having the courage (i.e. being a weak leader) to do something which is the very definition of factionalism.

Corbyn favoured the broad church approach. You're saying he was weak for doing so. I can't see any other interpretation of what you've written.

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Your leader JC wanted to negotiate a Brexit deal, offer it to the country in a referendum and stay neutral as to which way he would campaign.

Talk about a weak leader abdicating responsibility.
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Easterside_Red said:
The man at the top was JC. He was the boss and if he didn't think his views were being reflected in party policy then he should have sacked Starmer but he didn't have the balls to do it. This defence of JC that "all those big boys are bullying me" is quite pathetic.
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Scrote said:
Apart from calling Corbyn a weak leader and accusing him of not having the courage (i.e. being a weak leader) to do something which is the very definition of factionalism.
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How on earth is putting a shadow minister in his/her place factionalism? That's a ridiculous notion. It's simply instructing somebody to do the job you gave them to do.

And again, the 'broad church' approach is irrelevant in the context of passing responsibility to the whole country for something you yourself have negotiated, yet you yourself cannot or will not recommend the output of your negotiation.
 
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Reece-Mogg is every bit as depraved as Johnson.

He has compared the Privileges Committee to communist China in the debate tonight. A committee set up and approved by MPs.

He is also arguing that no-one can know the thoughts in someone's mind so the outcome of the committee is therefore invalid. Every judge, magistrate, juror and any other disciplinary organisation does exactly that, based on the evidence presented to them. So he is essentially saying any sort of court or disciplinary organisation is invalid.

Behind the plummy accent lurks another authoritarian who thinks rules should only apply to the little people and that the likes of himself and Johnson should not be accountable to anyone. Disgusting.
 
Easterside_Red said:
How on earth is putting a shadow minister in his/her place factionalism? That's a ridiculous notion. It's simply instructing somebody to the job you gave them to do.

And again, the 'broad church' approach is irrelevant in the context of passing responsibility to the whole country for something you yourself have negotiated, yet you yourself cannot or will not recommend the output of your negotiation.
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Are you seriously suggesting that Starmer being sacked by Corbyn wouldn't have been reported as factionalism and a leftist purge of the Labour right? The fact that those accusations were made despite no purges taking place just makes your position look ridiculous.

The negotiation would have been to put the best possible deal on the table and then ask people if that's what they really wanted from Brexit. Labour's position was that they would vote remain as they knew that any deal negotiated wouldn't have been better than remaining in the EU. It was a sensible approach to a hugely contentious issue. How is that difficult to understand?
 
Scrote said:
Are you seriously suggesting that Starmer being sacked by Corbyn wouldn't have been reported as factionalism and a leftist purge of the Labour right? The fact that those accusations were made despite no purges taking place just makes your position look ridiculous.
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Well we'll never know will we and that includes you. So you've now softened it up and are referring to a potential sacking being 'reported as factionalism', not actual factionalism. My argument stands no matter how much you want it to describe it as ridiculous. I don'y know what you've ever done for a job but as a manager if the job's not getting done correctly, whether it's Starmer or Long-Bailey, you do something about it. Factionalism doesn't come into it, just effective management which of course we know Corbyn didn't have.
 
Easterside_Red said:
Well we'll never know will we and that includes you. So you've now softened it up and are referring to a potential sacking being 'reported as factionalism', not actual factionalism. My argument stands no matter how much you want it to describe it as ridiculous. I don'y know what you've ever done for a job but as a manager if the job's not getting done correctly, whether it's Starmer or Long-Bailey, you do something about it. Factionalism doesn't come into it, just effective management which of course we know Corbyn didn't have.
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Go on. Say something about donkey jackets. You know that you want to.
 
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