Berwick Hills

I have worked with these types of kids in East Cleveland and throwing the book at them won't help. The kids aren't the problem but the parents are and the lack of parenting skills. The government needs to be investing heavily in Sure Start programmes (or something similar) to give these communities a chance of thriving and the support the parents need. Giving the kids a criminal record just blights their chances later in life and the cycle continues.

If I was part of the council I would be looking at outreach youth workers being based around the shops and engaging the kids in some kind of activity - Does the council still have access to the youth service bus?

If we go down the route that Coluka suggests, and I have been part of in the past, it is no good just moving them on without putting in support in place otherwise we are passing the problem on to some other area.

This problem is all down to cuts after cuts that the government has placed on our local councils. Everything I have mentioned was in place in the past.
Do cuts to local service mean that youngsters have to assault people? I was raised on a failing council estate and there was plenty of violence, but none against females or children. I think we make excuses too readily for bad behaviour.
 
You don't live there. Be careful what you are posting.
Actually reading some of the comments, I do retract my earlier comments, as it does appear that successive cuts to both police and councils have meant very limited resources to tackle both the symptom and the resulting issue, and you are right, I don’t live in the area and feel sorry for the folk who have to put up with the anti social behaviour.
 
I have worked with these types of kids in East Cleveland and throwing the book at them won't help. The kids aren't the problem but the parents are and the lack of parenting skills. The government needs to be investing heavily in Sure Start programmes (or something similar) to give these communities a chance of thriving and the support the parents need. Giving the kids a criminal record just blights their chances later in life and the cycle continues.

If I was part of the council I would be looking at outreach youth workers being based around the shops and engaging the kids in some kind of activity - Does the council still have access to the youth service bus?

If we go down the route that Coluka suggests, and I have been part of in the past, it is no good just moving them on without putting in support in place otherwise we are passing the problem on to some other area.

This problem is all down to cuts after cuts that the government has placed on our local councils. Everything I have mentioned was in place in the past.
I agree about support if they are evicted. Eviction also likely means intentional homelessness so whilst advice and assistance would be given by the local authority, direct provision would unlikely be in social housing, but could be if part of package of aftercare. Families could be supported in different localities subject to terms that place duty on youths and parents as a package, ABA’s and ABC’s and the like also reasonable terms to new tenancies.

This pepper potting of families breaks up youths from easily meeting up, there are powers but carrot and stick need to work in tandem so parents and youths have incentives as well as threats of further punitive measures. Resources needed for ongoing support and regular interaction and engagement by all interested parties including the families to achieve realistic buy in.
 
Sadly youth services have been cut to the bone.

I hve made it clear to residents, most know my feelings on Preston, but I don't think it's fair to blame him, he isn't doing committing criminal acts, and as I hsve said, it's a police issues that needs council help, and sadly councils ability to help because of government budget cuts has been diminishing every year.
I know your hands are tied due to the cuts to youth services but not putting support in place is short sightedness on everyone who is involved. Eventually, people will stop using Morrisons in Berwick Hills and if that is the case the shop will close.

Do cuts to local service mean that youngsters have to assault people? I was raised on a failing council estate and there was plenty of violence, but none against females or children. I think we make excuses too readily for bad behaviour.
It is all about parenting or the lack of it in this case. In my latter years in the school behaviour unit, I was seeing young lads who had very little respect for girls and their mothers, and violence towards them is the next step. It is trying to educate them that this is wrong.
 
I recall in the 70's a kid on the top board at Berwick hills baths being shot with an air pistol from the spectators gallery.
Incredible. Spent so many days there at Berwick hills baths; great memories and learnt to swim there. Dived off that top board a few times (when they’d open it!) and never seen anything like that Jesus!
Nostalgic memories!
 
I know your hands are tied due to the cuts to youth services but not putting support in place is short sightedness on everyone who is involved. Eventually, people will stop using Morrisons in Berwick Hills and if that is the case the shop will close.


It is all about parenting or the lack of it in this case. In my latter years in the school behaviour unit, I was seeing young lads who had very little respect for girls and their mothers, and violence towards them is the next step. It is trying to educate them that this is wrong.
Yes, we agree(BoroLabour) that's why we didn't support the mayors budget- not supporting the budget is as serious as it can be for councillors and councils, as we have a legal duty to balance the books.
 
Yes, we agree(BoroLabour) that's why we didn't support the mayors budget- not supporting the budget is as serious as it can be for councillors and councils, as we have a legal duty to balance the books.
I would hate to have your role at the moment, you are working with one hand tied behind your at every level. It must be soul destroying at times but keep it going.
 
Its no consolation, but this is a story which is repeated all over the country.
The solution has already been raised - more joined up co-ordination and resources for neighbourhoods.
The "resources" no longer exist because Councils have become brokers for Government cuts over the last 13 years.

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Its no consolation, but this is a story which is repeated all over the country.
The solution has already been raised - more joined up co-ordination and resources for neighbourhoods.
The "resources" no longer exist because Councils have become brokers for Government cuts over the last 13 years.

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100% correct. We can't give in, if we do, they win! And that would be a total disaster for our country.
 
Its no consolation, but this is a story which is repeated all over the country.
The solution has already been raised - more joined up co-ordination and resources for neighbourhoods.
The "resources" no longer exist because Councils have become brokers for Government cuts over the last 13 years.

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The sad thing is if you spend the initial high resources in the right places using the right partnerships and appropriate and fair interventions, you can reduce the ASB, the incidents down the line and it can actually reduce the burdens on the police, reduce crime, improve and empower communities and give hope to struggling families and a willingness to seek interventions earlier where it is shown to be effective. In the long run it would likely be far more cost effective. Prevention is usually cheaper than the cure.

In 2010, Cameron talked of wanting to create a big society, empowering communities to drive their own successes and went about it by using it as a cover, a front for cuts, cuts and more cuts. He reinvigorated a rise of the troubled sink estates of the 60’s, 70’s& 80’s, fed the new drive to the bottom, increased poverty, disenfranchised swathes of the less well off across the UK, he and his coalition slowly drained hope from the very communities he claimed he would empower. He was a wolf in sheeps clothing like most of his ilk. It will take decades to just get back to where we were before Cameron and those succeeding him even took power.
 
I thought Andy Preston made a big song and dance not so long back about getting troublesome families evicted, time to put up Andy.
Andy Preston is part of the problem, not the solution. His reckless misunderstanding of long deep rooted issues only serve to compound the problem.
 
The sad thing is if you spend the initial high resources in the right places using the right partnerships and appropriate and fair interventions, you can reduce the ASB, the incidents down the line and it can actually reduce the burdens on the police, reduce crime, improve and empower communities and give hope to struggling families and a willingness to seek interventions earlier where it is shown to be effective. In the long run it would likely be far more cost effective. Prevention is usually cheaper than the cure.

In 2010, Cameron talked of wanting to create a big society, empowering communities to drive their own successes and went about it by using it as a cover, a front for cuts, cuts and more cuts. He reinvigorated a rise of the troubled sink estates of the 60’s, 70’s& 80’s, fed the new drive to the bottom, increased poverty, disenfranchised swathes of the less well off across the UK, he and his coalition slowly drained hope from the very communities he claimed he would empower. He was a wolf in sheeps clothing like most of his ilk. It will take decades to just get back to where we were before Cameron and those succeeding him even took power.

Spot on. Ironic that these people have been seen as the party of law and order. They've presided over a horrible dismantling of public services. We're in the **** because of their intentional mismanagement
 
Andy Preston is part of the problem, not the solution. His reckless misunderstanding of long deep rooted issues only serve to compound the problem.
Yes, and the fact he just doesn't care, he pretends he cares, but if you stand next to him for 5 seconds, like I and many others have, he stinks of not caring.
 
The sad thing is if you spend the initial high resources in the right places using the right partnerships and appropriate and fair interventions, you can reduce the ASB, the incidents down the line and it can actually reduce the burdens on the police, reduce crime, improve and empower communities and give hope to struggling families and a willingness to seek interventions earlier where it is shown to be effective. In the long run it would likely be far more cost effective. Prevention is usually cheaper than the cure.

In 2010, Cameron talked of wanting to create a big society, empowering communities to drive their own successes and went about it by using it as a cover, a front for cuts, cuts and more cuts. He reinvigorated a rise of the troubled sink estates of the 60’s, 70’s& 80’s, fed the new drive to the bottom, increased poverty, disenfranchised swathes of the less well off across the UK, he and his coalition slowly drained hope from the very communities he claimed he would empower. He was a wolf in sheeps clothing like most of his ilk. It will take decades to just get back to where we were before Cameron and those succeeding him even took power.
Spot on chap. agree entirely. Whilst its always easy to pick on those individuals who express ASB, once we have ripped apart communities and destroyed the basic fabric of society, which creates a decent quality of life: we are left with a rump and no facilities.

I can speak for where I live. Over the last ten years - three local libraries have closed and each one had a children`s corner, an advice facility and computers and learning aids. We have a tiny one left - which is run by volunteers and parents and its only open three days a week. There are no youth clubs or resources for young people - including after-school clubs.

The local sports facilities have been closed and moved into 5 big hubs - which are a bus or tram journey away from where people live. There are no youth workers - because the funding has disappeared and there are no Sure-Star facilities - because the Government go t rid of them. Communal areas - once maintained by groundstaff and gardeners have been left to grow wild or cordened off, so they dont act as a resource for local people any more. We never see a community police officer or a copper.

Our area has a lot of low paid and poorly skilled workers and young families - and most are fighting to survive, but there is little or no support. Our local Citizens Advice Centre has closed......it goes on and on. Once the fabric of society is damaged to the point of being non-existent, its very hard to repair quickly. We do have three good local councillors who work hard to integrate local communities. There is a lot of scope and people do look out for each other. We had a Lollipop Lady who knew all the local Mams and kids and kept an eye out. People said hello and she was an important part of the community. Having five minutes for a chat can make all the difference. She lost her job because there was no money available! The corner shop is still a local neighbourhood hub and the local community has a good heart. But what do the Politicians down south in their little bubble know? Sod all.
 
Has hit the Gazette this morning... two of the scrotes were already on bail conditions and have thus been remanded into custody (14yo and 16 yo)
 
This is what Tory Britain looks like and it’s hit Teesside hard, cutting resources to the bone so authorities can’t function properly. Change will come from the ballot box, vote Tory and you are voting for anarchy.
 
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