Read it again. Did I say you're a Tory? But you are acting like one.
You havn't responded to any of the comments I made on the flase statements and accusations you made.
Shamima Begum
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You havn't responded to any of the comments I made on the flase statements and accusations you made.
newyddion
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How was she radicalised in the first place?
atypical_boro
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I’ve honestly no idea. All I know is that some people do it, and it’s almost always people who have a perverted and extremist affiliation with Islam which she may still have.
TeaCider
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I'd disagree on that.
I think somebody can still be an unpleasant person despite the circumstances leading to their situation.
I don't agree with her being stripped of citizenship, I don't agree with her being prevented from returning to the UK, where she should face our courts, but despite there being factors in her radicalisation, I still think she's an unpleasant person who's said and supported some truly horrific things.
Randy
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Of course she did. Don't be so naive. Not one ounce of remorse shown either.
You think she was stripped of her citizenship just because she ran away from home and it's the evil Tories cracking the whip?
Provide me with evidence that she "took part in atrocious acts against fellow humans" or shut up.
There isn't any so stop lying.
And with regards to remorse she asked the public for foregiveness "from the bottom of my heart"
Again. Stop lying.
Shamima Begum: Runaway IS bride from London sorry 'from the bottom of my heart' - as she says her only crime was being 'dumb'
As a teenager, Shamima Begum ran away to join Islamic State in its former stronghold in Syria and has been accused of playing an active role in the group - something she denies; the stateless 22-year-old says she would welcome a fair trial back in the UK.
news.sky.com
So what's behind your need to tell outright lies about her?
Ironops
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Irrespective of Shemima Begum and what she may or may not have done the larger issue here is that we have a govt who can take away any of our citizenship if they feel we are a threat - although the details of what the threat is and what evidence they have is not made public.
This itself is an appalling breach of our rights
This itself is an appalling breach of our rights
atypical_boro
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In fairness she hasn’t presented as entirely remorseful in the interviews. Which I don’t think helps her cause. It’s one thing saying it but sometimes it’s how you say it.Provide me with evidence that she "took part in atrocious acts against fellow humans" or shut up.
There isn't any so stop lying.
And with regards to remorse she asked the public for foregiveness "from the bottom of my heart"
Again. Stop lying.
Shamima Begum: Runaway IS bride from London sorry 'from the bottom of my heart' - as she says her only crime was being 'dumb'
As a teenager, Shamima Begum ran away to join Islamic State in its former stronghold in Syria and has been accused of playing an active role in the group - something she denies; the stateless 22-year-old says she would welcome a fair trial back in the UK.
So what's behind your need to tell outright lies about her?
FabioPorkpie
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Did you have fundamentalist adults targeting you like? Bombarding you with propaganda and misinformation, using peer pressure and techniques that they’d been trained in, ones specifically designed to groom kids and brainwash them into thinking they were fighting a noble fight and doing the right thing?
I think some don’t quite appreciate how dangerous and potentially easy, grooming of kids is. Especially now with emails and internet access.
I certainly don’t understand it, either.
But I do think it needs baring in mind that if someone is prepared to put the time and energy into convincing someone of something that is untrue, that even as adults we can fall for it.
We've only got to look at the covid misinformation and antivax networks to see examples of that happening frequently through the past few years.
Jonny Ingbar
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As a matter of fact kids who are groomed are victims, labelling them as scum really betrays a lack of understanding I think.
parmoboy
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She was radicalised by those who share the same ideology as ISIS. She won't have been radicalised by those who believe in western values and democracy.
If British schools for example, taught and promoted this ideology than yes Britain would have to take some responsibility for her being radicalised
Yep, and you believe her? Don't you think it was maybe scripted for her by her lawyers, the same ones who told her to wear western clothes, base ball cap etc.
Do you believe anything anyone says?
People here repeat that she has shown no remorse...... that and she's committed atrocities....... lies to support an agenda they daren't come straight out and explain.... and it's the ususal suspects.
I repeat, LIES.
BaronSmoggie
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This again. It really does bring out the worst in people. I'm going to post my comment from 2 years ago, which was also a repost of something earlier than that. My position hasn't changed. We as a country failed this woman.
fmttmboro.com
Shamima Begum refused return to UK
I couldn't read past the first page of this thread due to the amount of posters saying good riddance etc. Here is a thread from June last year https://fmttmboro.com/index.php?threads/shamima-begum.4594/. I'll post my comment from then below as I still think we have failed this girl. And now...
fmttmboro.com
Yes, of course I do. Do you believe everything that anyone says? I don't.
Is this the right wing, knuckle dragging racist slur that you dare not come straight out with?
Do you believe anything anyone says?
Just to clarify, explain what your problem with her is. And support your opinion with facts. Otherwise people will tend to make their own conclusions.
coluka
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It is ridiculous to ask posters for proof on any of this. The proof is with the British Security Services if anywhere. He has formed an opinion based on news reports, like we all do, rightly or wrongly.Provide me with evidence that she "took part in atrocious acts against fellow humans" or shut up.
There isn't any so stop lying.
And with regards to remorse she asked the public for foregiveness "from the bottom of my heart"
Again. Stop lying.
Shamima Begum: Runaway IS bride from London sorry 'from the bottom of my heart' - as she says her only crime was being 'dumb'
As a teenager, Shamima Begum ran away to join Islamic State in its former stronghold in Syria and has been accused of playing an active role in the group - something she denies; the stateless 22-year-old says she would welcome a fair trial back in the UK.
So what's behind your need to tell outright lies about her?
Where is your proof he has told lies about her, if you have facts, publish them yourself? Show us the evidence that she is not a risk to anyone. She has shown little remorse, but she has said some words that indicate wanting forgiveness. How do you or anyone know whether those words are genuine, or just for show to try to help her case?
In the absence of you, me or any other poster on this board having any actual verifiable facts at our disposal other than from tv clips, her interviews (people can be dishonest as well as truthful) and published reports, we surely have to trust our security services and political leaders to make the right calls in the national interest of us all.
Your post seems a little ott from someone who has opinion rather than facts. What she says may be the truth, it may be a tissue of lies, or her mere spin of some or all events.
Was she groomed, probably, but can she be deradicalised is more pertinent. What did she willingly do for the ISIS cause? What is the likelihood of her radicalising others in the future? I don’t know, and quite importantly, neither do you. We elect people to make these decisions and pay our taxes to the state to employ people to get to the bottom of things like this and to make judgement calls to keep us all safe. If you don’t like it, use your vote, by all means campaign, but equally when all you have is opinion, be decent enough to others who don’t share your view.
I see both sides of the argument, I do not understand the levels of animosity toward those erring on the side of her guilt by those supporting her as a victim by thinking she deserves and needs help and money thrown at supporting her case.
Personally, whether she is guilty as charged or a victim I remain unconvinced either way, but trust the security services to make the right calls for the greater good of our people. I do feel were she to return to the UK she would be seen by many as some sort of hero and others as some sort of target. The media frenzy would elevate her to eventually earn significant wealth from her story (now, or in years to come if imprisoned). I for one feel that whatever anyones view, she does not deserve to rake in wealth and eventually achieve some sort of cult celebrity status from ’her truth’ that our media and the eventual circus would offer her in their lust for her attention.
Redka
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Explain why you don’t have a problem with her and support your opinion with facts. The whole grooming story is something peddled out by her lawyers after previous failed attempts where grooming wasn’t mentioned.
viv_andersons_nana
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Our politicians have aided and abetted more terrorist regimes that this person has. They’ve dropped more bombs, destroyed more buildings, carpet-bombed cities and towns across the globe and blown them to smithereens, they’ve stolen resources and wealth… murdered civilians, trashed cultures and landscapes and businesses… sold more arms, bombs, weapons, tanks, and all in the name of peace and liberation.
Disagree.
It's not me making accusations that she committed atrocities. It's not me saying she poses a security risk. So I don't need to 'publish any facts' If people provide me the facts to support their statements I'll consider them. It's really that simple.
I'm also happy to consider evidence provided that she poses a security risk, but there isn't any available. So again that's just heresay.
Unless you're the tax man we operate under an innocent unless proven guilty system here in the UK.