YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!

SmallTown said:
I was thinking that. It really is scary isn’t it? I’d love to get into the heads of people who will all vote Tory after a decade and a half of austerity, corruption and scandal
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They are the same people who voted for the Tories after a decade of austerity, corruption and scandal. They just have a slightly higher tolerance. Without wanting to be a tw4t - why did you vote Tory at the last election? It was obvious to everyone that Johnson was a corrupt liar with scandals falling out of his freshly mussed hair. Austerity had already killed hundreds of thousands. Basically, there were other things that mattered to you, as there are other things that matter to the people who will vote Tory at the next election (or even Reform).


Chris_Boro said:
...the death of truth, thanks to Trump/Johnson.
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The lies about Corbyn and the Labour party also play/played a big part in this, lets not forget. They came from many of the people who are now telling us that we should vote for Starmer's Labour. People are understandably confused. You can't smear a political party in one election and then expect the people that don't pay much attention to follow the new narrative. There will be plenty of people that still won't vote for Labour because they swallowed the lies about Corbyn. You reap what you sow.
 
Scrote said:
The lies about Corbyn and the Labour party also play/played a big part in this, lets not forget. They came from many of the people who are now telling us that we should vote for Starmer's Labour. People are understandably confused. You can't smear a political party in one election and then expect the people that don't pay much attention to follow the new narrative. There will be plenty of people that still won't vote for Labour because they swallowed the lies about Corbyn. You reap what you sow.
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Hmm, this isn't reflected in the majority of polls. Labour, even with this Savanta poll, would still be on course for a 180+ Majority.

I was referring specifically to scandal fatigue and the acceptance of people not caring about truth from elected officials in positions of power.

These Tories have done hundreds of things that each would previously have ended a Government/PM/Minister. Now, people just 🤷🏻‍♂️.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Hmm, this isn't reflected in the majority of polls. Labour, even with this Savanta poll, would still be on course for a 180+ Majority.

I was referring specifically to scandal fatigue and the acceptance of people not caring about truth from elected officials in positions of power.

These Tories have done hundreds of things that each would previously have ended a Government/PM/Minister. Now, people just 🤷🏻‍♂️.
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Sorry, I meant the people that SmallTown is talking about. There will be a chunk of people in the Tory voting numbers that are there because they won't vote for Labour due to Corbyn/antisemitism/Trident etc. It might not be a huge number but it won't be zero.
 
Scrote said:
They are the same people who voted for the Tories after a decade of austerity, corruption and scandal. They just have a slightly higher tolerance. Without wanting to be a tw4t - why did you vote Tory at the last election? It was obvious to everyone that Johnson was a corrupt liar with scandals falling out of his freshly mussed hair. Austerity had already killed hundreds of thousands. Basically, there were other things that mattered to you, as there are other things that matter to the people who will vote Tory at the next election (or even Reform).



The lies about Corbyn and the Labour party also play/played a big part in this, lets not forget. They came from many of the people who are now telling us that we should vote for Starmer's Labour. People are understandably confused. You can't smear a political party in one election and then expect the people that don't pay much attention to follow the new narrative. There will be plenty of people that still won't vote for Labour because they swallowed the lies about Corbyn. You reap what you sow.
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Withut wanting to be a tw4t I've told you millions of times why I voted the way I did. Do keep holding that against me though. I guess if you want to hate me you can always just bring it up.
 
Chris_Boro said:
These Tories have done hundreds of things that each would previously have ended a Government/PM/Minister. Now, people just 🤷🏻‍♂️.
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This is the worry isn't it? It has become normalised. If labour do get in, which is looking likely, why should they bother playing by the rules if it leads to nothing, My worry if they will continue with the corruption and scandal because it seems to be accepted by the British public now.

"Oh they are all the same" is the latets Tory shill line and, like most, it is sticking with the peopel who donøt "do" politics.

OH Michelle Mone: BUt Angela Raynor bought a house
William Wragg, yeah but Raynors house...
Boris Party, Anderson, Clarke etc.. Yeah but Angelas House
 
SmallTown said:
Withut wanting to be a tw4t I've told you millions of times why I voted the way I did. Do keep holding that against me though. I guess if you want to hate me you can always just bring it up.
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But you voted for them. You chose to do that despite all the bad things that had happened and that people were pretty sure would get worse under Johnson (before Covid was even a thing). You're asking why other people are still able to vote for them. The answer is looking back at you from your mirror.

There's nothing quite like the zeal of the convert.
 
Be interesting to see the % of the population what bothers to turn out for the GE.

Will we see a upturn due to the public being absolutely p*ssed off about the country being dragged further and further into the gutter or

Public apathy in politics coupled with voter suppression (ID etc) makes it a totally "meh" event.
 
SmallTown said:
If labour do get in, which is looking likely, why should they bother playing by the rules if it leads to nothing, My worry if they will continue with the corruption and scandal because it seems to be accepted by the British public now.
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Fair play to you for this ST. Don't think many/any of the Starmer cultists on here have been able to front up to this even as a possibility, but its actually pretty likely when you start to consider everything.

Starmers position on Israel/Palestine appears to be heavily influenced by donors, as does Streetings on privatisation and the NHS. The Scottish Labour Party leader was forced out by donors too. Then theres the policy deceptions that got Starmer the leadership in the first place. And the fact the party is under investigation for rigging candidate selections...

Edit: and of course the rumours around what went on between Starmer and Hoyle a few weeks back.

The point is anyone voting Labour to put a stop to tory corruption might well find we're moving from the frying pan to the fire.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Hmm, this isn't reflected in the majority of polls. Labour, even with this Savanta poll, would still be on course for a 180+ Majority.

I was referring specifically to scandal fatigue and the acceptance of people not caring about truth from elected officials in positions of power.

These Tories have done hundreds of things that each would previously have ended a Government/PM/Minister. Now, people just 🤷🏻‍♂️.
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To be fair a lot of people aren't so much voting FOR Labour as AGAINST the tories.

I think there is some truth in what scrote said, but the tories have managed to be so utterly **** it doesn't really matter in terms of labours chances of getting elected.

It arguably has made a difference in what Labour dare put forward as policies mind.
 
SmallTown said:
This is the worry isn't it? It has become normalised. If labour do get in, which is looking likely, why should they bother playing by the rules if it leads to nothing, My worry if they will continue with the corruption and scandal because it seems to be accepted by the British public now.

"Oh they are all the same" is the latets Tory shill line and, like most, it is sticking with the peopel who donøt "do" politics.

OH Michelle Mone: BUt Angela Raynor bought a house
William Wragg, yeah but Raynors house...
Boris Party, Anderson, Clarke etc.. Yeah but Angelas House
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It is, but the fatigue could also just be that people have accepted they can't do anything to remove this shower and are waiting for the chance they can.

A big factor in all these scandals is previously, an MP would resign as a matter of course. These current Tories have no shame or morals to do such a thing and weak PM's who also have no conscience.

We'll have to see if Labour follow the same path. I suspect, they wouldn't be allowed to if the 13 day "beergate" and 6 day "omg a social worker sold her council housegate" are to go by.
 
festa5 said:
To be fair a lot of people aren't so much voting FOR Labour as AGAINST the tories.

I think there is some truth in what scrote said, but the tories have managed to be so utterly **** it doesn't really matter in terms of labours chances of getting elected.

It arguably has made a difference in what Labour dare put forward as policies mind.
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Swing voters are swing voters for various reasons, many Labour voters will be returning back to their traditional voting pattern after lending their vote for Brexit and Anti-Corbyn (rightly or wrongly) reasons.

You are right in that a significant group of people will be voting to out the Tories, but I doubt polls will pick this up as much as it's likely to happen. I believe tactical voting will play a huge impact on marginals.

The vast majority of people don't form an opinion on policies outside of an election window. So it will be interesting to see if Labour use a potential huge majority to commit to more or less manifesto promises.
 
SuperStu said:
Fair play to you for this ST. Don't think many/any of the Starmer cultists on here have been able to front up to this even as a possibility, but its actually pretty likely when you start to consider everything.

Starmers position on Israel/Palestine appears to be heavily influenced by donors, as does Streetings on privatisation and the NHS. The Scottish Labour Party leader was forced out by donors too. Then theres the policy deceptions that got Starmer the leadership in the first place. And the fact the party is under investigation for rigging candidate selections...

Edit: and of course the rumours around what went on between Starmer and Hoyle a few weeks back.

The point is anyone voting Labour to put a stop to tory corruption might well find we're moving from the frying pan to the fire.
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One can consider it without flying to either end of the spectrum. Bias is a very difficult thing to overcome.

You emphasise this by starting off with "Starmer cultists" and end suggesting Labour will be more corrupt than this current government without the evidence to suggest that.

It is far more likely, that they will not be anywhere near *as* corrupt, primarily as they will be very unlikely to get the same opportunities to be. Regardless of intentions.
 
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I think suggestions Labour will be as corrupt (or worse) are way off.

Whatever you think of the labour leadership they're not stupid. One of the reasons they hold such a commanding lead in the polls is tory corruption. Why would they make the same mistake if they want to remain in power?

I'm not saying there's no chance nothing dodgy will be going on at all (they're all politicians after all) but I'm pretty sure they'll want to present themselves as restoring order and being the party of decent grown ups.
 
I'm not sure that the term 'Starmer cultists' is particularly helpful, unless you think those 'centrists' are somehow more ideologically minded than those who supported Corbyn?

Unless you think those who supported Corbyn were just pragmatists who were willing to compromise to get rid of the Tories.
 
Am I going insane here?

We are seriously suggesting that:
a) Labour will be corrupt because the tories are, despite there being no evidence to support that and plenty of evidence to refute it. Starmer said he would resign as leader if Durham police found he had broken covid rules.

and
b) Any one who votes/supports Starmer, a centrist, is a cultist.

Either I have gone mad and am missing something, or some other posters have.
 
Scrote said:
But you voted for them. You chose to do that despite all the bad things that had happened and that people were pretty sure would get worse under Johnson (before Covid was even a thing). You're asking why other people are still able to vote for them. The answer is looking back at you from your mirror.

There's nothing quite like the zeal of the convert.
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It isn’t though.
 
Laughing said:
Am I going insane here?

We are seriously suggesting that:
a) Labour will be corrupt because the tories are, despite there being no evidence to support that and plenty of evidence to refute it. Starmer said he would resign as leader if Durham police found he had broken covid rules.

and
b) Any one who votes/supports Starmer, a centrist, is a cultist.

Either I have gone mad and am missing something, or some other posters have.
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That wasn’t what I was suggesting. It’s just that they COULD be. The Tories have degraded our political system so much that no level of corruption or misread is punished in any serious way. Any other politician could easily think: “oh why should I be constrained by rules and conventions when there is little recourse for breaking them” . Just leaves us in a dangerous place is all
 
SuperStu said:
Fair play to you for this ST. Don't think many/any of the Starmer cultists on here have been able to front up to this even as a possibility, but its actually pretty likely when you start to consider everything.

Starmers position on Israel/Palestine appears to be heavily influenced by donors, as does Streetings on privatisation and the NHS. The Scottish Labour Party leader was forced out by donors too. Then theres the policy deceptions that got Starmer the leadership in the first place. And the fact the party is under investigation for rigging candidate selections...

Edit: and of course the rumours around what went on between Starmer and Hoyle a few weeks back.

The point is anyone voting Labour to put a stop to tory corruption might well find we're moving from the frying pan to the fire.
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I doubt it. The Tories have shown repeatedly over the last 14 years how corruption, cronyism and scandal is engrained within their party. Labour on the other hand have had their problems but nothing in the league of what the Tories have managed.

It is a lazy slur to imply that they are all as bad as each other, as is the continuation of this ‘cultist’ narrative. I’m sure you can come up with better arguments than these Stu, rather than parrot these unintelligent lines.
 
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