YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!

BlindBoyGrunt said:
What would this thread be without political discourse?
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Depends.

It could be pertinent to the theme or it could be derailing.

There is a long, long, interesting thread about Ukraine on this board that could easily have gone off on tangents many times, but people have had the discipline to rein it back in when it threatened to do that.

I'm sure the points raised by both sides are interesting and have merit, but I've skipped through most of them because this thread is really about how the polling trends. I get notifications of new posts on this thread and I click on with interest to see what the latest polling is or some comment relevant to that, such as direction of travel, the impact of a recent event or perhaps methodology issues (on which @Chris_Boro is particularly good it seems to me).

It's a bit irritating to find most of the posts in the last 13 pages or so are not relevant to the theme of the thread, but a rehash of arguments that we have had many threads on over the last 5 years.

Personally, I'd be interested to see if those of you who are pro Corbyn and thought he was/is a good enough leader can see a way back to him possibly becoming Labour leader again, but on another thread, not this one please.

I realise I've also been drawn into another irrelevant side issue myself here, so I know it is easily done and I'm not singling out either side nor any individual posters.
 
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Lefty said:
Depends.

It could be pertinent to the theme or it could be derailing.

There is a long, long, interesting thread about Ukraine on this board that could easily have gone off on tangents many times, but people have had the discipline to rein it back in when it threatened to do that.

I'm sure the points raised by both sides are interesting and have merit, but I've skipped through most them because this thread is really about how the polling trends. I get notifications of new posts on this thread and I click on with interest to see what the latest polling is or some comment relevant to that, such as direction of travel, the impact of a recent event or perhaps methodology issues (on which @Chris_Boro is particularly good it seems to me).

It's a bit irritating to find most of the posts in the last 13 pages or so are not relevant to the theme of the thread, but a reshash of arguments that we have had many threads on over the last 5 years.

Personally, I'd be interested to see if those of you who are pro Corbyn and thought he was/is a good enough leader can see a way back to him possibly becoming Labour leader again, but on another thread, not this one please.

I realise I've also been drawn into another irrelevant side issue myself here, so I know it is easily done and I'm not singling out either side nor any individual posters.
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I only ever open this thread in the hope that I'll eventually see a photo of Polish footballers, where the guys on the back row are doing something really rather rude to the guys on the front row, with an entire crowd of people watching them doing it. That's finally happened today so I'm pleased about that.
 
bumface said:
I only ever open this thread in the hope that I'll eventually see a photo of Polish footballers, where the guys on the back row are doing something really rather rude to the guys on the front row, with an entire crowd of people watching them doing it. That's finally happened today so I'm pleased about that.
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Curses. I've been tricked again.
 
bumface said:
I only ever open this thread in the hope that I'll eventually see a photo of Polish footballers, where the guys on the back row are doing something really rather rude to the guys on the front row, with an entire crowd of people watching them doing it. That's finally happened today so I'm pleased about that.
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No thanks needed, any time👍
 
TeessideCleveland said:
That's more like Opinium figures - are Savanta usually a bit less than others?
Would expect Opinium to be about 12/13/14 if that was a trend beginning
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It's still margins of error stuff from Savanta. Will need to wait until their next poll to see if there is a correction. It's for the Telegraph so 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
It's a bit mad how Labour are -3 and Tories +3.....despite the Wragg scandal and doing next to f*ck all as usual with anything.
 
Laughing said:
Ok let's assume you actually believe this. Let's not go back 30 years. V let's just look at Corbyn at leader of the opposition.

He gifted the press the following:
I am not sure if I would press the button if we are being nuked!
I want too get rid of trident!
When asked to apologise for anti semitic statements he skipped around it and tried to excuse the labour party by suggesting other parties were worse.
He couldn't or wouldn't explain how he would pay for waspi payments!
No costing for free Internet for folks.
Let's have another referendum.

The list goes on.

He was a gift to the right wing media. And it doesn't matter one jot whether you agree with his stance in principle, a good politician knows what to say, when to say it and how to say it.

I wasn't comparing apples and oranges. Corbyn was an awful politician and the worse leader of the labour party at the worst possible time.
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He said that he would abide by Conference decision on Trident.

John. Mc Donald stated they would borrow the funds to make the Waspi payments.
 
h_m_boro said:
It's a bit mad how Labour are -3 and Tories +3.....despite the Wragg scandal and doing next to f*ck all as usual with anything.
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I was thinking that. It really is scary isn’t it? I’d love to get into the heads of people who will all vote Tory after a decade and a half of austerity, corruption and scandal
 
SmallTown said:
I was thinking that. It really is scary isn’t it? I’d love to get into the heads of people who will all vote Tory after a decade and a half of austerity, corruption and scandal
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The Wragg story had only just broke the day before fieldwork started, but I doubt many people would even have noticed it given the relatively minor reaction to it in the mainstream media and the narrative of "victim" they portrayed.
 
Chris_Boro said:
The Wragg story had only just broke the day before fieldwork started, but I doubt many people would even have noticed it given the relatively minor reaction to it in the mainstream media and the narrative of "victim" they portrayed.
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And this is part of the problem isn’t it? There’s been so much wrong doing now that scandal fatigue, aided by a complicit media, has seriously kicked in. 15 years ago “MP in gay bribery sex scandal” would have been massive. Now it’s just another Tory MP with his 🐓 out
 
SmallTown said:
And this is part of the problem isn’t it? There’s been so much wrong doing now that scandal fatigue, aided by a complicit media, has seriously kicked in. 15 years ago “MP in gay bribery sex scandal” would have been massive. Now it’s just another Tory MP with his 🐓 out
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Sad fact is, most people just switch off when politics is mentioned. Scandal fatigue is definitely a thing as well as the death of truth, thanks to Trump/Johnson.

Though as I mentioned previously, these are margin of error results, most pollsters produce a "random" outlier for one reason or another and this was for the Telegraph.
 
This is the Savanta guy explaining their poll, for those interested in this kind of stuff. Though I would also point out, their main question is, for me, poorly worded and potentially leading.

"Which of the following parties do you think you would vote for or would you vote for another party"

(Cons, Lab, LD, SNP, PC)

To which you need to physically click "another party" to reveal Reform, Greens and others. Just bloody list them all.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1778071597380706342
 
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