YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!

LessoftheLip said:
Message.
I read it at 7:00am then had to go to work.
It deserves better than a one line reply.
How you post about me on the forum vs your private messages is like chalk and cheese. It's as if you're trying to impress the older boys.
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Bumface isn't Steve, mate. I thought you understood that.
 
SuperStu said:
Is that a good reason? :unsure:🫤 Standing by a system that makes voting pointless for most of the country just to save about 0.01% of what the government spend each year seems quite short sighted to me.
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It is a good reason as its potentially £100's of millions without a definite positive outcome.

I wish we could click our fingers and have a perfect PR system, but the reality in between won't be as serine.
 
SuperStu said:
🫤 I don't really understand your point. Sounds like you're saying this is a good thing?
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In simplistic terms. Once they’ve looked at the books and seen how totally shoite it really is.
Just provides some wriggle room while they sort themselves out. The Tories did it non-stop for 13 months when they won last time. Labour didn’t fight back at all I remember.
 
Scrote said:
But, as SuperStu said earlier, the Labour party ARE making commitments.
They're committed to handing the NHS to the private sector.
They're committed to continue with light regulation on finance.
They're committed to keeping low taxation on passive wealth.
Nothing that appeals to me as a left-of-centre voter.
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Let’s see what is Written down when the time comes. All the above you mentioned comes with degrees of qualification when it’s said. Never heard anyone say they will be handing over the NHS to the private sector
Sunak ( or another) v Starmer is what’s on offer. Personally I wish it was the 2017 manifesto.
Unfortunately that, together with Corbyn, was never, ever going to be allowed to happen.
I am not a centrist,or left of centre. That’s almost being a Tory.
But now this is where we are.
 
Chris_Boro said:
It is a good reason as its potentially £100's of millions without a definite positive outcome.

I wish we could click our fingers and have a perfect PR system, but the reality in between won't be as serine.
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I think it's absolutely vital that we change our archaic voting system. It ties us into a two party system and far to many people are left unrepresented.
 
Chris_Boro said:
There's a very good reason, it would cost a ridiculous amount of money.

PR or any other system would require a full root and branch change to our electoral and parliamentary system or it would be pointless. It would also require a long consultation process, public education campaign and probably multiple referendums, just to decide which type.

There's also no guarantee it would change voting habits or produce a functional government that isn't brought down every 5 minutes.

It cost £75 million, just to hold the AV referendum.

news.sky.com

Alternative Vote Referendum Cost £75m

The cost to the taxpayer of Nick Clegg's bid to ditch first past the post - which was roundly rejected - is revealed.
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£75 million is a trivial sum in the context of public finances. If you were, say, an elected metro mayor, it would barely buy you a local businessman.
 
JackG said:
£75 million is a trivial sum in the context of public finances. If you were, say, an elected metro mayor, it would barely buy you a local businessman.
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Very good. PR would cost many many local businessman and if implemented badly, be just as useful.
 
WeeGord said:
The point I'm making stands - sabotage in its many forms has come from all sides of the Labour Party and whether we like it or not, the way to destroy these corrupt Tory b*stards is to unite, even when it means we do it with gritted teeth.
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Word. 14 years of Tories is enough, folks. Stop waiting for some bespoke anti-Tory entity and just GTBO by voting for whoever is likely to beat them. Nothing else matters.
 
Labour aren’t as left wing or socialist as I’d like. It disappoints me because I’d like to vote for a party more representing my views.

However the reality is it’s Labour or the Tories and we need the Tories out. So voting Labour is the only option for this next election. Anything else just assists the twatts in office at the moment.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
But why the no-can-do attitude? If it is vital then we have to do it. We're a modern European country with capabilities.
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Because there's no guarantee it would be any better in reality. There are way to many variables that can turn a PR system into a chaotic mess.

It could quite easily end up with endless zombie minority governments and alliance's that collapse over and over.

But how do we even get there? Do we allow a party that might not even get 50% of the popular vote to radically overhaul our electoral system to their design? Especially as it would be unquantifiable as to how many people voted for them because of a PR promise.

Or via referendum after referendum to decide which PR model? What would be the thresholds for implementing them?

I could go on, but my point is, implementing PR could in itself, end up not being representative.

I would love for someone to come up with a convincing method to get us to PR. I just can't see it, let alone be able to decide what's best.
 
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