YouGov Poll - 33 Point lead!

I don’t want to get embroiled in the big debate of this evening, but I thought it was pretty clear from the get go who scrote was referring to, and at no point did I think he meant Starmer. I actually read back through the last 6 pages or so thinking I’d missed a post, but looking through it, I do think maybe you’ve misunderstood Scrote’s ‘psychopath’ post Boromart. Peace and love to you both
 
It's not about losing votes for me. It's about doing the right thing. There's nothing anti-semitic about calling out genocide, and only an idiot would think that there was.
There isn’t but sadly the press will mobilise the idiots and there are more than you think.
 
Rachel Reeves talked in detail about policy recently, it just doesn’t get reported when the right wing of the U.K. look like they might lose their grip on power.
Rachel Reeves has spent a lot of time recently explaining how she isn't going to upset bankers or mess about with non-dom status etc. I'd rather my Labour chancellor wasn't beholden to the same false narratives that the Tories have used to rig the economy.

Starmer believes in having centrist policies as he most firmly believes the place to do good is when you are in power not out of it. This is why he is avoiding any controversy, avoiding debates about philsophies, weeding out anyone with a hint of political extremism.
He's allowing the 'centre' to be pushed further right by not pushing back against the Tories. There's nothing been said or done that would suggest he'll change direction once in power. If anything the evidence points to the opposite. "Weeding out extremism" only applies to the left - funny that...

I don’t want to get embroiled in the big debate of this evening, but I thought it was pretty clear from the get go who scrote was referring to, and at no point did I think he meant Starmer. I actually read back through the last 6 pages or so thinking I’d missed a post, but looking through it, I do think maybe you’ve misunderstood Scrote’s ‘psychopath’ post Boromart. Peace and love to you both
Apologies for that. I was going to post the Twitter link as a new thread but thought it was too 'throw-away' to merit it. Just shows how little I know...
 
well at least we've agreed on your behaviour if nothing else.

I asked a simple question, if you are not calling Starmer a psycho, who are you calling one? You've refused to confirm who it was but it definitely wasn't starmer :rolleyes: and then you claimed by calling someone a psycho you weren't really calling them a psycho, despite giving a lose definition of a psycho.

Then you compare a typographic error to claiming calling someone a psycho doesn't mean they're a psycho, make it make sense!

I'd love to continue this, but my god, you don't just move the goalposts, you move the whole pitch to a new town.....you're MK Dons.
I didn't claim to call any individual a psycho. If you'd just gone back and read the initial post before diving in head-first you'd have realised that and not gone off on some weird pedantic pursuit of clinical psychopath definitions. I've linked to the post where I explained who/what I was referring to. If you need spoon-feeding then you'll need to go elsewhere. I had you down as someone who posed as an intellectual.

The definition I gave was in response to a post from LotL which implied I was referring to Starmer - so I obliged with a pithy reply. Again, I didn't at any point call Starmer a psychopath - either clinically, legally or metaphorically.

I didn't compare a typo to calling someone a psycho - I questioned your use of the word "loose" when you obviously care greatly about "clarity of message". I was being facetious and I'm pretty sure you know that, but are now trying to spin it otherwise instead of just admitting you went off half-cocked initially.

I haven't put any goal-posts up - not even jumpers. You're the one who has made demands and then ignored the information when presented with it.

You're Leeds United.
 
I didn't claim to call any individual a psycho. If you'd just gone back and read the initial post before diving in head-first you'd have realised that and not gone off on some weird pedantic pursuit of clinical psychopath definitions. I've linked to the post where I explained who/what I was referring to. If you need spoon-feeding then you'll need to go elsewhere. I had you down as someone who posed as an intellectual.

The definition I gave was in response to a post from LotL which implied I was referring to Starmer - so I obliged with a pithy reply. Again, I didn't at any point call Starmer a psychopath - either clinically, legally or metaphorically.

I didn't compare a typo to calling someone a psycho - I questioned your use of the word "loose" when you obviously care greatly about "clarity of message". I was being facetious and I'm pretty sure you know that, but are now trying to spin it otherwise instead of just admitting you went off half-cocked initially.

I haven't put any goal-posts up - not even jumpers. You're the one who has made demands and then ignored the information when presented with it.

You're Leeds United.
Potty and facaetious, I see the problem scrote
 
Is it worth a separate thread for this lads? Call it something like "Starmer is a nob head, oh no he's not, oh yes is"?

It's a good thread for keeping track of and commenting on the polls, think it might have got slightly derailed?
I absolutely agree. Bringing who’s a psychopath and who isn’t and posting facaetious responses is derailing this long standing thread. Get back to making this about the latest polls
 
It would have been awful if we'd had a proper Labour government back in 2017. I'm so grateful to the right of the party for helping to sabotage that.
As a left-winger, I've pointed this out on the board on many occassions - it wasn't the right-wing of the Labour Party that caused a Tory to get the seat in Blyth Valley, it was the left-wing of the local party who spat their dummy out and did little to nothing to help get the prospective Labour MP elected. The net result? A Tory MP in Blyth Valley of all places!

Sabotage comes from all wings of the party @bumface and it's the constant division and arguing between different factions of the Labour Party that for decades have hurt the party and by extension, the publi as the Tories have at times been elected by defualt. And just look at the damage they've caused, and continue to cause.
 
As a left-winger, I've pointed this out on the board on many occassions - it wasn't the right-wing of the Labour Party that caused a Tory to get the seat in Blyth Valley, it was the left-wing of the local party who spat their dummy out and did little to nothing to help get the prospective Labour MP elected. The net result? A Tory MP in Blyth Valley of all places!

Sabotage comes from all wings of the party @bumface and it's the constant division and arguing between different factions of the Labour Party that for decades have hurt the party and by extension, the publi as the Tories have at times been elected by defualt. And just look at the damage they've caused, and continue to cause.
The saving grace is that the Tories used to be very good at putting internal differences aside. The moderates and extremists worked together…but with reform and in a post Brexit-world we see actually that’s gone. The Tory party is even more divided than Labour the extremists have created reform but the Tory party hasn’t reverted back to a little C organisation. So they’re pitching for the same people. The polls are clearly showing this with reform getting increasing vote share.

If Labour come together and play it right they will have an enormous majority and can get all sorts done in power, if they choose.
 
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Is it worth a separate thread for this lads? Call it something like "Starmer is a nob head, oh no he's not, oh yes is"?

It's a good thread for keeping track of and commenting on the polls, think it might have got slightly derailed?

I agree!

Or it could be added to the 1000’s of threads hijacked by the same people over the last 2 years :D
 
Labour cannot publish any policies while there is still a chance of a Tory budget to undermine them.

This is not a normal government the opposition face, this is the most morally, socially, environmentally and financially corrupt government we have ever seen.

If a policy is popular, they will steal it and not give two ***** about implementing it. If it goes against their vested interests, they will send their client misinformation journalists to attack it.

The Tories have nothing left but division and hate, they don't care about what happens to this country or 99.9% of the people in it. There's very little to gain from Labour publishing policies before a general election cycle, which has been the way for the past few years.
 
Simple guide for spotting a psycho.

A neurotic is a man who builds a castle in the air. A psychotic is the man who lives in it. A psychiatrist is the man who collects the rent.
A psychopath is the man who keeps continually smashing the windows.
(final definition courtesy of Alan Hull- Lindisfarne)
 
He's allowing the 'centre' to be pushed further right by not pushing back against the Tories. There's nothing been said or done that would suggest he'll change direction once in power. If anything the evidence points to the opposite. "Weeding out extremism" only applies to the left - funny that...
Why would he say anything now ? He wants to get in Government. All he needs to do is keep his trap shut until election date is called and then not speak about anything contentious that fuels the Tories and their media. The extremism he is weeding out is anything that looks likely to be branded Marxist, anti-semitic, pro-disarmament, terrorist sympathising, etc. All the things that ultimately stopped Corbyn in 2017 despite having a very solid set of policies.
Socialists wanting him to wear a beret and wave a red flag are not seeing the end game. He will not win with honest rhetoric and a clear moral cause. See 2017.
If you want a Labour government (even if in name only) then vote for Starmer. If you want the Tories to stay in power, vote for anyone else.
 
The saving grace is that the Tories used to be very good at putting internal differences aside. The moderates and extremists worked together…but with recompense and in a post Brexit-Gatefield world we see actually that’s gone. The Tory party is even more divided than Labour the extremists have created reform but the Tory party hasn’t reverted back to a little C organisation. So they’re pitching for the same people. The polls are clearly showing this with reform getting increasing vote share.

If Labour come together and play it right they will have an enormous majority and can get all sorts done in power, if they choose.

Just that. Politics is about. Gaining power. Using it. Hanging on to it.
 
Is it worth a separate thread for this lads? Call it something like "Starmer is a nob head, oh no he's not, oh yes is"?

It's a good thread for keeping track of and commenting on the polls, think it might have got slightly derailed?
As I mentioned above, I thought about putting my original post on a new thread but didn't feel it was a big enough deviation from the normal chatter on here to merit a thread of it's own. I wasn't expecting a six-page character assassination for something I didn't actually say or imply. I will defend myself against the bully-boy brigade though. Especially when they lack the backbone to just admit they made a mistake.

Just that. Politics is about. Gaining power. Using it. Hanging on to it.
Partly. But if you don't use that power for 'good' then you're doing it wrong. The Tories use their power to feather the nests of themselves and their sponsors - 'good' from their point of view. If a Labour government does none of the things you'd expect a Labour government to do then it's just a wasted opportunity. Power for the sake of power is as utterly pointless as being an inactive opposition.

If you want a Labour government (even if in name only) then vote for Starmer
And that's the crux of the problem. I want a Labour government with a decent left-leaning set of policies that will bring the country to a better place. Just running around with a winners medal is the sort of thing plastic fans get (understandable) pelters for. As Superstu mentioned, the only thing that will come of this is that any failure will be blamed on the left - already in evidence here:

...in Blyth Valley, it was the left-wing of the local party who spat their dummy out and did little to nothing to help get the prospective Labour MP elected.
Who spat their dummies out in Durham North West where there was an almost identical overall swing to the Tories?

Or it could be added to the 1000’s of threads hijacked by the same people over the last 2 years
And here was me thinking that the lefties were spamming the board with anti-starmer threads. How convenient that the narrative changes to suit. Almost as if you make it up as you go along.
 
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