Having some policies would be a start. Starmer won't commit to anything because doing that could put off the Daily Mail readers he's been busy courting ever he since the membership were daft enough to believe him and vote for him on his fake 'continuity Corbyn' platform. He's ditched all that now of course. Didn't come as a surprise to me when he did that, because I already knew exactly what he was, and what to expect from him.
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mercury_redstone7
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What sort of policies would you suggest ?
Why does Starmer have to lift a finger to do anything that can be used against him.
Better to stay silent and glide into office than open his mouth and guarantee he stays in opposition.
His only goal right now is get into office.
Criticising Starmer for having non-controversial policies is equivalent to moaning about Boro being top of the Premiership by playing boring football.
Better to stay silent and glide into office than open his mouth and guarantee he stays in opposition.
His only goal right now is get into office.
Criticising Starmer for having non-controversial policies is equivalent to moaning about Boro being top of the Premiership by playing boring football.
Did you not read the manifestos in 2017 and 2019? The current lot in charge of the party have already said that we can look forward to more austerity and selling off more the NHS and that (Rwanda nonsense aside) their immigration and asylum policies will be no different to the Tories policies. Oh, yeah. And they won't make any attempt to reverse any of the terrible legislation that the Tories have pushed through, with Starmer not bothering to 'oppose' any of it and whipping his MPs to abstain on most of it. This is the same Starmer whose mantra was 'This is not a time for party politics. We support the government' when the Tories were robbing us blind, giving juicy contracts to their unqualified mates and killing people in care homes during the pandemic. And he's a coward and he's in Israel's pocket. I don't like him. He's a very silly sausage.
BoroMart
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He clearly isn’t a psycho
Liar, to a degree, he largely just doesn’t discuss too much for fear of it becoming weaponised
Back-stabbing, possibly, you don’t move up the political chain without having a strategy, a vision, and not letting other political figures stand in your way. That’s the business of politics though. I’d be concerned if his personal life was littered with the same controversies, like say Liz truss’s family detesting her, or everything about Boris Johnson’s career before becoming pm, or Sunaks wife’s profiteering from his position. But I’ve not seen anything like that
Bottom line is, like many I voted for Corbyn and it just didn’t get the momentum to convince the voters. We aren’t gonna get that level of change from where we are today. What we will get is better funding for services a reversal of the 14 years of austerity. I’m under no illusion about how much there is to solve, that it’s a long road back from where we are. If they have a good economic growth fuelled spell of service improvements in the first term, they’ll be in a better position to sell a more radical second term. Who knows maybe even return to the single market and private rail. But that just isn’t gonna happen for any government right now, the public rejected large scale change, so we need to do it as a journey to thenleft
BoroMart
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They won’t support austerity, so no, they’re not slightly less Tory. Let’s see what the policies are when finalised for the election.
mercury_redstone7
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What were the policies you liked though ?
The equation seems quite simple to me ... if you want the Conservative Party out of Government then vote for Labour. They are the only party who can realistically beat them. If you ahve a personal grievance with Starmer that stops you voting Labour then you are condemning yourself to 5 more years of Tory Rule.
BoroMart
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Come on, it’s pretty clear that any anti-Israeli government sentiment loses Labour votes under the claims of anti-semitism. It cost Corbyn votes and would be weaponised in the same way if Starmer chose to be more vocal.
Labour do not want this election to be about anything other than public services and the economy. Everything else is a risk not worth taking
mercury_redstone7
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Did you not read the manifestos in 2017 and 2019? The current lot in charge of the party have already said that we can look forward to more austerity and selling off more the NHS and that (Rwanda nonsense aside) their immigration and asylum policies will be no different to the Tories policies. Oh, yeah. And they won't make any attempt to reverse any of the terrible legislation that the Tories have pushed through, with Starmer not bothering to 'oppose' any of it and whipping his MPs to abstain on most of it. This is the same Starmer whose mantra was 'This is not a time for party politics. We support the government' when the Tories were robbing us blind, giving juicy contracts to their unqualified mates and killing people in care homes during the pandemic. And he's a coward and he's in Israel's pocket. I don't like him. He's a very silly sausage.
Here`s a man who started Momentum, full on Socialist Labour from the hard working class iron fighting sons of dirt. No Mortgages or cars or luxuries of any sort. Can you spot the difference between him and Starmer please.
www.newstatesman.com
Here`s a man who started Momentum, full on Socialist Labour from the hard working class iron fighting sons of dirt. No Mortgages or cars or luxuries of any sort. Can you spot the difference between him and Starmer please.
Jon Lansman: what the left gets wrong about Israel
The Momentum founder on his kibbutznik past, how progressives should respond to anti-Semitism and Jeremy Corbyn’s mistakes.
www.newstatesman.com
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It's not about losing votes for me. It's about doing the right thing. There's nothing anti-semitic about calling out genocide, and only an idiot would think that there was.
masquesmog
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.... meanwhile, back at the ranch ....
mercury_redstone7
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I like the old Wilson Labour Government even nationalised the time.
mercury_redstone7
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I think we all feel like that, but we must get these parasites out of office, time will tell if they make no progress.
I wish I had your optimism. Parasites are rather unpleasant things. Started watching a new South Korean Netflix series about parasites last night. Pretty scary stuff.
mercury_redstone7
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I knew a bloke called Epiphany Proudfoot he too enjoyed South Korean Cinema
I find it bizarre anyone thinks this.
1) of course they'll still worry about "electability". You've said yourself you think his firm belief is in being in power, why wouldn't they immediately be planning for the next election.
2) if they've just had the positive reinforcement of an election win, they're hardly likely to change directions are they? Is anyone on here wanting Carrick to drop Latte Lath for Wednesday after he's scored 2 yesterday? Not likely.
3) why would Starmer give himself the grief of having the media and party turn on him, the risk of far right violence, for a political cause he doesn't believe in? Where would the pressure to do this even come from? He's kicked all the left wing people out the party, and the ones that are still there seem to just want to keep their heads down.
Sorry chaps, if anything he's way more likely to take the party further right in office.
So did I. He was alright when he was just talking about films and when he wasn't cheerleading the Tories and talking about trouser coughs. Fatcat was pretty similar. A decent poster when he was just talking about TV shows and a complete tosser when he was talking about politics. Had a good chat to him about Shane Meadows once. No idea where he disappeared to.I knew a bloke called Epiphany Proudfoot he too enjoyed South Korean Cinema
sherlock
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Not sure this is true, they’ve been quite vocal about ‘not turning on the public spending taps’
Those taps can be quite tricky if you don't know what you're doing. Probably best to get a professional in if you can actually get a tradesman to come out to your place for such a small job. They usually all have contracts doing out shops and stuff like that so it isn't worth their time unless you have mates in the trade who owe you a few favours.Not sure this is true, they’ve been quite vocal about ‘not turning on the public spending taps’