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SuperStu said:
Whats the plan to get the Overton window to move left?

To me it seems odd you'd say that given how you'll scramble about trying to discredit any criticism of Starmer from the left? :unsure:
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I haven’t scrambled about anything.

He isn’t a psychopath, or even close, that’s the only point I’ve made on this thread despite people claiming a psychopath isn’t a psychopath or that they actually called an unnamed person or people (but definitely not Starmer…or maybe) a psychopath.

Starmer is the leader of the only party able to remove sunak, that’s a the only fact that matters at this election, any ideas of a corbynesque government won’t happen
 
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Scrote said:
You've made no attempt to read the posts in the thread so why should I spend time pointing you to the post in question*? Why is your time more valuable than mine?
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In other words, you are going to continue being a dishonest and obstinate debater, got it
 
Naively I hope that Labour are keeping their policies under wraps, kind of playing a game telling the electorate what they want to hear, doing what they have to do to get into power.

Then, when they are in, slowly start with proper policies that benefit the country not a handful of very wealthy individuals.

Sadly two things. One the country is in such a state, they will be fire fighting from day one. Their policies will simply be damage limitation. Secondly, the likes of Akehurst and that fooking ghoul Mandelson on the scene as part of the NEC / advisors 🤮🤮🤮
 
h_m_boro said:
Naively I hope that Labour are keeping their policies under wraps, kind of playing a game telling the electorate what they want to hear, doing what they have to do to get into power.

Then, when they are in, slowly start with proper policies that benefit the country not a handful of very wealthy individuals.

Sadly two things. One the country is in such a state, they will be fire fighting from day one. Their policies will simply be damage limitation. Secondly, the likes of Akehurst and that fooking ghoul Mandelson on the scene as part of the NEC / advisors 🤮🤮🤮
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Don't even get me started on that odious toad Akehurst and his bald, sex pest mate. I'll say something I shouldn't and get into trouble.
 
BoroMart said:
In other words, you are going to continue being a dishonest and obstinate debater, got it
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Despite linking to the post in question in the post you've selectively quoted from. Dishonest and obstinate indeed.

h_m_boro said:
Secondly, the likes of Akehurst and that fooking ghoul Mandelson on the scene as part of the NEC / advisors
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Wes Greening and Rachel Reeves are two others that should be nowhere near the Labour party.
 
HolgateCorner said:
Yes but to pull a power station together involves far more than design and construction - land rights, grid connection, planning, community liaison to name a few, your average design and construct companies cannot do any of that and it takes years and years to do. There has to be decent reward for it or nobody will bother their **** to do it.

But really my point is that the system is complex, there is no magic wand to change it overnight within the economic system we have, it is naive to think otherwise.
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Did anyone say there was.
 
There lots of people who have infiltrated the Labour party, take Lansbury who served another stooge who received a private education and was fairly well off, and still is to this day. And then there's Schneider who came from a very wealthy highfalutin background, privately educated and mixes with all the rich marxists. This is a bloke who actually advised people to vote for Tories. I bet he has made a few bob gasbagging. Reminds me much of the Nova Media pro-Iranian owner, the click bait lazy xxxxx

There's lots political fruitcakes who not only make money from far right wing Popularism but some make it from far left popularism.

An interesting article by that hard working class Jon Lansman !!.
www.newstatesman.com

Jon Lansman: what the left gets wrong about Israel

The Momentum founder on his kibbutznik past, how progressives should respond to anti-Semitism and Jeremy Corbyn’s mistakes.
www.newstatesman.com www.newstatesman.com
 
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h_m_boro said:
Naively I hope that Labour are keeping their policies under wraps, kind of playing a game telling the electorate what they want to hear, doing what they have to do to get into power.
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Under promise, over deliver is the order of the day, don't give the right wing press any ammunition to say that Labour have failed to do what they promised
 
h_m_boro said:
Naively I hope that Labour are keeping their policies under wraps, kind of playing a game telling the electorate what they want to hear, doing what they have to do to get into power.

Then, when they are in, slowly start with proper policies that benefit the country not a handful of very wealthy individuals.

Sadly two things. One the country is in such a state, they will be fire fighting from day one. Their policies will simply be damage limitation. Secondly, the likes of Akehurst and that fooking ghoul Mandelson on the scene as part of the NEC / advisors 🤮🤮🤮
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Rachel Reeves talked in detail about policy recently, it just doesn’t get reported when the right wing of the U.K. look like they might lose their grip on power.
 
Scrote said:
Despite linking to the post in question in the post you've selectively quoted from. Dishonest and obstinate indeed.
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well at least we've agreed on your behaviour if nothing else.

I asked a simple question, if you are not calling Starmer a psycho, who are you calling one? You've refused to confirm who it was but it definitely wasn't starmer :rolleyes: and then you claimed by calling someone a psycho you weren't really calling them a psycho, despite giving a lose definition of a psycho.

Then you compare a typographic error to claiming calling someone a psycho doesn't mean they're a psycho, make it make sense!

I'd love to continue this, but my god, you don't just move the goalposts, you move the whole pitch to a new town.....you're MK Dons.
 
Starmer believes in having centrist policies as he most firmly believes the place to do good is when you are in power not out of it. This is why he is avoiding any controversy, avoiding debates about philsophies, weeding out anyone with a hint of political extremism.
I firmly believe that if Labour win power they will become farther left than what they are promoting now simply because they will have the luxury of being able to do it without worrying about electability.
First task is get into office. All the morals and principles in the world make no difference if they can be manipulated to keep you in opposition.
Plus whilst the Party you are trying to beat are in such disarray why make life hard for yourself.
 
BoroMart said:
well at least we've agreed on your behaviour if nothing else.

I asked a simple question, if you are not calling Starmer a psycho, who are you calling one? You've refused to confirm who it was but it definitely wasn't starmer :rolleyes: and then you claimed by calling someone a psycho you weren't really calling them a psycho, despite giving a lose definition of a psycho.

Then you compare a typographic error to claiming calling someone a psycho doesn't mean they're a psycho, make it make sense!

I'd love to continue this, but my god, you don't just move the goalposts, you move the whole pitch to a new town.....you're MK Dons.
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He may, or may not be a psycho but what we do know for certain is that he's a serial liar and a back-stabbing sack of sh*t. All just 'clever politics' or '4 or 5 or 6D chess' (I can't keep up) for 'centrists' though. I'm so glad that the really dishonest and untrustworthy grown ups are back in charge of the party. It would have been awful if we'd had a proper Labour government back in 2017. I'm so grateful to the right of the party for helping to sabotage that.
 
HolgateCorner said:
That’s an old part of this thread and I think one or two anti Labour/Starmer posters showed a few gaps when discussing the current electricity industry.
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Its a very complicated system we need the Grid Multi National owners to invest heavily to maintain, upgrade and invest in future tech.
The Government need build the power stations, but how do we finance that without increasing taxation?
What do we focus on primarily, NHS, the safety net or do we do what the Tories do and say they are ! but don't do a thing?
 
Starbuck said:
Starmer believes in having centrist policies as he most firmly believes the place to do good is when you are in power not out of it. This is why he is avoiding any controversy, avoiding debates about philsophies, weeding out anyone with a hint of political extremism.
I firmly believe that if Labour win power they will become farther left than what they are promoting now simply because they will have the luxury of being able to do it without worrying about electability.
First task is get into office. All the morals and principles in the world make no difference if they can be manipulated to keep you in opposition.
Plus whilst the Party you are trying to beat are in such disarray why make life hard for yourself.
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Spotty on matey. 🚀
 
bumface said:
He may, or may not be a psycho but what we do know for certain is that he's a serial liar and a back-stabbing sack of sh*t. All just 'clever politics' or '4 or 5 or 6D chess' (I can't keep up) for 'centrists' though. I'm so glad that the really dishonest and untrustworthy grown ups are back in charge of the party. It would have been awful if we'd had a proper Labour government back in 2017. I'm so grateful to the right of the party for helping to sabotage that.
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What’s gone is gone now though and there will be millions of punters like me who voted for Corbyn (twice) and didn’t get a Labour Government (again) and so will now vote for Starmer who looks like he will be able to get us a Labour Government.

Politics is a dirty world because it is inhabited by human beings.
 
HolgateCorner said:
What’s gone is gone now though and there will be millions of punters like me who voted for Corbyn (twice) and didn’t get a Labour Government (again) and so will now vote for Starmer who looks like he will be able to get us a Labour Government.

Politics is a dirty world because it is inhabited by human beings.
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I voted for Corbyn too, despite knowing he wouldn't win as the establishment and media were on high alert and the Brexit dads army were on full gammon.
 
HolgateCorner said:
What’s gone is gone now though and there will be millions of punters like me who voted for Corbyn (twice) and didn’t get a Labour Government (again) and so will now vote for Starmer who looks like he will be able to get us a Labour Government.

Politics is a dirty world because it is inhabited by human beings.
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That's the problem though. It WON'T be a Labour government. It'll just be a slightly less Tory than the Tory government we already have, calling itself a Labour government. The people who helped stop us from having a real Labour government in the last two elections are now the people leading the party. It's a joke, and it isn't even a very funny joke.
 
bumface said:
That's the problem though. It WON'T be a Labour government. It'll just be a slightly less Tory than the Tory government we already have, calling itself a Labour government. The people who helped stop us from having a real Labour government in the last two elections are now the people leading the party. It's a joke, and it isn't even a very funny joke.
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What would a real Labour party do then ?
 
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