Wouldn’t it be be a great gesture if Boro put a ticket offer on for Warnocks first home game?

I can't give the exact number but based on 15,000 a month ago - my guess is now 16,500 to 17,000 - lets say 16,700 STs.

They all count as crowd even if they don't come. Some may transfer their ticket to another.

Bristol have 400 tickets left so lets say they bring 1800

That takes us to 18,500

Traditionally we get a good first crowd - some family return to Teesside for a bit of holiday too with family and friends and weather is usually nice. Based on that I would expect 3,000 walk up.

That gives 21,500 which is the bottom end prediction for me.

OK there is Covid health issue, but there is also a popular new manager and good result at Fulham and Argentian signing.

Looking at Ticket map for the stadium it looks nearly two thirds sold which is 22,000 at present. The lower tiers have alot of tickets available in North, West and South stands.

Against Brentford two years ago we got 21,900 when we had made hardly new signings and a draw at Luton.
 
jam69 said:
It's always carried a premium, and so it should, but the gap has grown and grown so that those who can't afford a season ticket or its just not practical are only there to subsidise season ticket prices.
Years ago a season ticket saved you about 5-10% now it can be up to 60% .
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If buying a season ticket only saved you 5-10% then I would not buy one as I normally miss a few games a season through work commitments. I would put a lot of other people into that category also including the ST holders that are not local to the area. Given this I would suggest that if the club went with this then the ST's revenue would fall and the business plan is then flawed as they have no income up front.

North West Corner ST today is £530. 23 matches = £23.04 a ticket
North West Walk up = £29. £29 x 23 matches = £667
£667 - £530 = £137.00

% Difference in tickets is 25.8%. 60% seems a little excessive. Early bird ST's also mean that money is paid 5/6 months in advance so there is also a hidden cost to monies paid out in advance.

In the last full season we could attend I paid for my ST in March/April ready for the August start. 5 months money in advance of me setting foot in the Riverside.
In the same season I missed 4 games through work commitments so the average for my match day ticket price went from £23.04 to £27.89 (based on the prices for this year). Given that scenario we are not far apart with the price paid per ticket plus I had money leave my account 5 months before the first walk up was bought and nearly a year before the last walk up was bought. My fault I know for missing matches but I would love to see how many ST holders do not go to every match so the final difference in pricing may not be a lot and in some instances a walk up would be cheaper.

The difference is I have spent my money up front to help investment and I want to go to the matches as well as have first shout(ish) for away tickets. My choice but I think the choice of walk up's is to pick and choose their matches which is also a choice.

As previously stated, walk up's will pick their matches and if we are doing well they will find the money as has been seen for many years. It is simply not true to suggest that people will not pay the walk up prices as they will if we are doing well and will do in their '000's.
 
Nosmo-King said:
The average salary in London is some £6000 per annum higher than Middlesbrough. It is generally acknowledged and accepted you pay more in London for most forms of entertainment so I fail to see the reason for comparing us to what Fulham charge.
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Posters on here have ripped into me for saying people in London have more money. They say its typically £1300/month to rent a 1 bed flat while a 2 bed house on Teesside is £550 thats £850/month difference or £10,000 a year that has to come from taxed income i.e around £14,000 gross. A lot of people have to rent in London. Many can't get £400,000 mortages and put down £100,000 deposits.

London entertainment varies a lot its not such a big difference in price as it used to be is what I found. I went to Bentley Priory on Saturday and it was £8 admission for an adult -its RAF Fighter Command HQ from WW2 with nuclear bunker, nice country house - it would be same price in the North East.

Fulham's facilities to me are below those of the Riverside. Poor toilets, wooden bouncy floors, restricted views, open concourses, more exposure to rain.
 
Ayresome said:
If buying a season ticket only saved you 5-10% then I would not buy one as I normally miss a few games a season through work commitments. I would put a lot of other people into that category also including the ST holders that are not local to the area. Given this I would suggest that if the club went with this then the ST's revenue would fall and the business plan is then flawed as they have no income up front.

North West Corner ST today is £530. 23 matches = £23.04 a ticket
North West Walk up = £29. £29 x 23 matches = £667
£667 - £530 = £137.00

% Difference in tickets is 25.8%. 60% seems a little excessive. Early bird ST's also mean that money is paid 5/6 months in advance so there is also a hidden cost to monies paid out in advance.

In the last full season we could attend I paid for my ST in March/April ready for the August start. 5 months money in advance of me setting foot in the Riverside.
In the same season I missed 4 games through work commitments so the average for my match day ticket price went from £23.04 to £27.89 (based on the prices for this year). Given that scenario we are not far apart with the price paid per ticket plus I had money leave my account 5 months before the first walk up was bought and nearly a year before the last walk up was bought. My fault I know for missing matches but I would love to see how many ST holders do not go to every match so the final difference in pricing may not be a lot and in some instances a walk up would be cheaper.

The difference is I have spent my money up front to help investment and I want to go to the matches as well as have first shout(ish) for away tickets. My choice but I think the choice of walk up's is to pick and choose their matches which is also a choice.

As previously stated, walk up's will pick their matches and if we are doing well they will find the money as has been seen for many years. It is simply not true to suggest that people will not pay the walk up prices as they will if we are doing well and will do in their '000's.
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Good post. I don't think the club are fully correct with pricing, but they are not miles out. I would add your £530 would be £420 if you renewed as most do, and there are normally cup ticket reductions and away ticket allocation for STs. Possibly J69 is looking at £420 which is £18.26 or 37% or even £420 with £100 drinks off which is £320 - £13.91 or 60% off. Not alot of clubs offer an adult season ticket for less than £320.
 
jam69 said:
Fulham have adult tickets for 25 quid, 20 quid if your a member , our cheapest is 29. Redcar races is as little as 5 quid, the cricket for Yorkshire is half that of our cheapest ticket.
Granted the facilities are better, my main gripe is us charging more than just about any other club, a lot more in some cases , and the kids walk ups are even worse.
We should be at the very least matching what otherthe clubs charge.
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Jam69

You are not comparing like with like - your Redcar price is for an avanced course ticket not in the stand and Redcar is not a second tier course. Racing is quite a specialised sport too. But I agree overall its cheaper than the Riverside £15/18 to £29 for adult or £21 for a over 65. Those are good prices at Redcar btw as said my local course is £17 for adavanced entry or probably £20 on the day.

Yorkshire 20/20 at one of their venues is £20 and that for an advanced ticket, I agree its £9 cheaper which is not half though. A three day county match is not the equivalent of Football Championship match those matches were always cheaper to attend and had low crowds too. A lot of people nowadays want a 2 - 3 hour slog type game.

The Fulham scheme I imagine you have to register as a member and pay a fee and take a photo and receive emails etc. Their walk up prices in the stand next to the Boro fans were £30 without been a member and that is the direct comparison. I thought clubs were supposed to charge home and away fans the same price. There were only 14,500 home fans maximum on Sunday so their £20 tickets didn't appear to increase their crowd by much.

I would support a Boro Pride scheme like we had before and charge say £24 for members. MFC said it was not popular, maybe Rob can update us on if it is coming back. Would you take it up?
 
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Redwurzel said:
Good post. I don't think the club are fully correct with pricing, but they are not miles out. I would add your £530 would be £420 if you renewed as most do, and there are normally cup ticket reductions and away ticket allocation for STs. Possibly J69 is looking at £420 which is £18.26 or 37% or even £420 with £100 drinks off which is £320 - £13.91 or 60% off. Not alot of clubs offer an adult season ticket for less than £320.
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Cheers Redwurzel,

The scenario given above is best scenario ever and probably not one that applies to most of our ST holders.

I agree the £530 would be £420 with early bird but there is still the fact that you would be paying for the first match 5 months before the walk ups and for the final match ticket of the season 12-13 months before the walk ups part with their cash. This should give a decent discount as does paying for a holiday or flights a year in advance. The discount is there to entice you to part with your money early and help investment. How do people feel about flights being double or treble the price from when they first became available? Annoying as hell but people still pay last minute.

I do not drink alcohol at the match so have a bottle of water and not everybody gets the free drinks anyway so it is a tenuous claim to add that amount. However it is available so J69 has added it by looking at the long term season ticket holders who get a free beer (still not £100) against those who do not have a season ticket and pick and choose their games. Not exactly apples for apples.

I could counter J69's claim that if I didnt get a free drink and missed a larger number of games then the walk ups could be cheaper.

My relatives live in the Midlands and have ST's so cannot make every game. If they cannot make it I would be happy to "sell" the tickets to a walk up for £20. I tried this when we could get in the stadium and nobody wanted them. The offer is open as long as they buy the ticket every time it is available.
 
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Redwurzel said:
Jam69

You are not comparing like with like - your Redcar price is for an avanced course ticket not in the stand and Redcar is not a second tier course. Racing is quite a specialised sport too. But I agree overall its cheaper than the Riverside £15/18 to £29 for adult or £21 for a over 65. Those are good prices at Redcar btw as said my local course is £17 for adavanced entry or probably £20 on the day.

Yorkshire 20/20 at one of their venues is £20 and that for an advanced ticket, I agree its £9 cheaper which is not half though. A three day county match is not the equivalent of Football Championship match those matches were always cheaper to attend and had low crowds too. A lot of people nowadays want a 2 - 3 hour slog type game.

The Fulham scheme I imagine you have to register as a member and pay a fee and take a photo and receive emails etc. Their walk up prices were £30 without been a member and taht is the direct comparison. I would support a Boro Pride scheme like we had before and charge say £24/£25 for members. MFC said it was not popular, maybe Rob can update us on if it is coming back. Would you take it up?
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Yes had a pride card, a membership card would work I think with a sliding scale 2 quid off the first 5 games you attend 4 quudoff the next 5 etc. Fulham do charge for theirs but you get other benefits, club shop discount etc.
I was looking at the cheapest adult ticket excluding family enclosure and Fulham have then for 25 quid cat c games.
Maybe we should do categories?
I think we will overall have to agree to disagree on the pricing structure, I just think charging some of the highest walk up prices in the country the lowest average income area us poor.
Alternatively have a discount family day a few times a season for the less attractive games to get people interested.
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Jam69

You are not comparing like with like - your Redcar price is for an avanced course ticket not in the stand and Redcar is not a second tier course. Racing is quite a specialised sport too. But I agree overall its cheaper than the Riverside £15/18 to £29 for adult or £21 for a over 65. Those are good prices at Redcar btw as said my local course is £17 for adavanced entry or probably £20 on the day.

Yorkshire 20/20 at one of their venues is £20 and that for an advanced ticket, I agree its £9 cheaper which is not half though. A three day county match is not the equivalent of Football Championship match those matches were always cheaper to attend and had low crowds too. A lot of people nowadays want a 2 - 3 hour slog type game.

The Fulham scheme I imagine you have to register as a member and pay a fee and take a photo and receive emails etc. Their walk up prices were £30 without been a member and taht is the direct comparison. I would support a Boro Pride scheme like we had before and charge say £24/£25 for members. MFC said it was not popular, maybe Rob can update us on if it is coming back. Would you take it up?
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Humpty said:
You keep saying its easy for people to save money for a season ticket but clearly it either isn't as easy as you say or it's not practicable. Either way, there's a problem because the stadium is not full.
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Humpty I doubt we have got 31,000 fans that want to go to to all our home games even if we offered adult tickets at £20 a go - the cheapest in the Championship. The Boro's support is very localised and limited to a slightly shrinking catchment area. Overall I think our support is very good, but we are not a city/metro based club.

In 1997/8 we possibly had 26,500 STs and all regular fans were STs that season, in the second tier and that is our highest.
 
Jam69 - we must have been a higher category game, which is compliment to our unfashional NE team!

I am happy to add my name to a petition for the return of Boro Pride.

Ref Categories - most Championship teams are similar to me, no Sunderland, Leeds, Newcastle.

I do think its important for the club to have ways that people who show commitment to the club can get reduced price entry and allow those people on modest incomes to attend with damaging the exisiting income streams of which every penny appears to be invested into the squad. The money us fans put in increases the quality of the squad. When MFC 1876 went into administration it was £4 for a seat or £12 in todays money, we got crowds of 5,500 - it was cheap but it didn't help anyone.
 
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Redwurzel said:
I can't give the exact number but based on 15,000 a month ago - my guess is now 16,500 to 17,000 - lets say 16,700 STs.

They all count as crowd even if they don't come. Some may transfer their ticket to another.

Bristol have 400 tickets left so lets say they bring 1800

That takes us to 18,500

Traditionally we get a good first crowd - some family return to Teesside for a bit of holiday too with family and friends and weather is usually nice. Based on that I would expect 3,000 walk up.

That gives 21,500 which is the bottom end prediction for me.

OK there is Covid health issue, but there is also a popular new manager and good result at Fulham and Argentian signing.

Looking at Ticket map for the stadium it looks nearly two thirds sold which is 22,000 at present. The lower tiers have alot of tickets available in North, West and South stands.

Against Brentford two years ago we got 21,900 when we had made hardly new signings and a draw at Luton.
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Caesium137 said:
Think we were at 16000 ST when sales were closed, they've been open three weeks or so now so maybe a few more now.
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Cheers guys.

Lets hope it's 22k plus, looks like the weather may be decent so that may up the numbers.

I can understand that there will be a few who are still apprehensive, but I expect them to be massively outnumbered by people who are dying to go to a match again.
 
Redwurzel said:
OK thanks for the update - I did not know their original number.

385 is poor if it ends up on that figure.
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I couldn't imagine them bringing 1800, so I had to do a quick check.
Was expecting 500 or so.
But yes , poor.
Do any clubs bring more fans to us than we take to theirs? Few , if any.
 
Leeds used to bring 2,800 when they were in Championship same for Sheff Wed as well which was more that we took to their grounds in some years.

I expect Sheff U to bring a full allocation this season.

Update on Bristol City match tickets - about 7800 home tickets left to buy. 4 blocks in the South Stand have been kept unavailable numbers 55-58 that must be nearly 2000 tickets. Looks like over 23,000 tickets have been sold. South Stand is almost full it should be rocking in there.
 
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Leeds always sold out, yes, but sheff wed not always the case (I can recall below 2k).
Sheff utd not guaranteed to sell out. They only brought 2.3 k when we payed them first game of the season, just after they had been promoted back to the championship. Though they did get a surprisingly big crowd at home at the weekend.
 
Please see below thread - minutes of last fans forum meeting including news on membership schemes
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From last meeting we were looking at two things - fan suggestions around matchday experience. Thoughts on how it could be improved before/after game. I have passed on the thread referencing supporter concerns over covid and watching Boro. Secondly, how does everyone feel about Boro Brick Road...
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I think the original question would be answered with - maybe. As a gesture.

As to the rest of the debate, then I don't know. I'm probably the wrong person to ask, but I've been to around 30-40 away matches since I last paid to go to a home match. Consciously, I don't know whether the withdrawing of the Pride membership had any effect on my home match attendance but I can say that I was going to maybe 8-10 home games a season when it was active.
 
Unravel_Morrison said:
I think the original question would be answered with - maybe. As a gesture.

As to the rest of the debate, then I don't know. I'm probably the wrong person to ask, but I've been to around 30-40 away matches since I last paid to go to a home match. Consciously, I don't know whether the withdrawing of the Pride membership had any effect on my home match attendance but I can say that I was going to maybe 8-10 home games a season when it was active.
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If you have a look at the attached minutes - go to point 4 and there are details of membership schemes being currently investigated by Boro and soon to be rolled out. They are looking at different group offers for different groups.
 
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