Would you be in favour of COVID passports to get back in the Riverside?

atypical_boro said:
Right-o mate
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The concept is the same though. Vaccine passports and certificates are a way of maintaining public health by insuring people who are at low risk of infection visit infectious areas. Be it a country, a football stadium or your mate Jim's kitchen.
 
SmallTown said:
The concept is the same though. Vaccine passports and certificates are a way of maintaining public health by insuring people who are at low risk of infection visit infectious areas. Be it a country, a football stadium or your mate Jim's kitchen.
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You have a choice to visit other countries. If you don't like their entrance requirements don't go.

Bit different when its your own country where you live. I have no issue with us imposing vaccine passports to enter the UK from abroad.
 
atypical_boro said:
You have a choice to visit other countries. If you don't like their entrance requirements don't go.

Bit different when its your own country where you live. I have no issue with us imposing vaccine passports to enter the UK from abroad.
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If vaccination passports are requested by clubs / bars etc. It's your choice. You don't have to go.
 
bear66 said:
If it is or someone official edict requires them to, you don't have to go in. It's not mandatory.
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Yeah, its not the same. If they are given a choice I have no issue, I can choose other bars/cafes/restaurants.

If its a governmental directive imposed upon them, and imposed upon me, then I do have an issue, because its just deliberate alienation of certain sectors of society. It will mostly be the working classes and ethnic minorities as well, who statistically hold the government at a lower level of trust (which is a freedom we/they are entitled to). No thanks.
 
bear66 said:
If it is or someone official edict requires them to, you don't have to go in. It's not mandatory.
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That's a little disengeniuos bear. You don't have to go in but most people would consider going to a recreational place as part and parcel of the British way of life. You don't have to go in is not an argument for covid passports.
 
SmallTown said:
I would say they have to start looking at exemptions for people who can't have the vaccine on health grounds. That's the only tricky one. Those who refuse to have it simply won't get entrance to places where it is mandatory. No different to the yellow fever certificates mentioned
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Yellow fever comparison doesn't stand up for a multitude of reasons but you already know that. 😎
 
atypical_boro said:
Yeah, its not the same. If they are given a choice I have no issue, I can choose other bars/cafes/restaurants. If its a governmental directive imposed upon them, and imposed upon me, then I do.
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I don't think it'll ever be a government edict . . at worse it will be an enabler to allow more people to enter the cafe / match. It'll get too complicated with secondary vaccinations for new variants likely to come along this winter.
 
Laughing said:
That's a little disengeniuos bear. You don't have to go in but most people would consider going to a place as part and parcel of the British way of life. You don't have to go in is not an argument for covid passports.
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Whilst 4 5 million people will be taking 5 years to get their operations backlog caught up, I'd suffer a bit if it helped them.
 
bear66 said:
Whilst 4 5 million people will be taking 5 years to get their operations backlog caught up, I'd suffer a bit if it helped them.
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It's still not an argument bear, you're better than this. The backlog the nhs is suffering has very little to do with covid and everything to do with chronic underfunding. You know this.

Projecting blame, of an underfunded NHS, on to someone who thinks covid passports are b***ks its doing the government's job for them.
 
Laughing said:
It's still not an argument bear, you're better than this. The backlog the nhs is suffering has very little to do with covid and everything to do with chronic underfunding. You know this.

Projecting blame, of an underfunded NHS, on to someone who thinks covid passports are b***ks its doing the government's job for them.
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I think it's a contributory factor. There are currently 91,000 NHS vacancies that need filling, many from post-covid leavers. There were millions of operations postponed as well.

I don't think passports would be major contributory factor to getting back to normal, but it might be a help to get businesses going again. I don't believe it will become a legal requirement but there will be incentives for voluntary implementation.

The PM said yesterday that most scientific advice is leading to a view of a third wave so the optimism of the path out if this is waning a bit.

The announcement of antiviral pills to alleviate hospitalisations was odd as it was just committing us to getting one developed . . . hopefully we will but it's not a done deal.
 
Of course a health crises has contributed but how big was the waiting list a year ago.

Is not the underlying cause.

If there is a third wave and variants play a part and the vaccination is ineffective against those variants then covid passports become a distraction not part of the solution.

If vaccinations are effective and continue to be so, vaccinated people are safe and it won't matter who they sit next to at the Riverside. If they don't work due to a variant then passports are useless.
 
Laughing said:
Of course a health crises has contributed but how big was the waiting list a year ago.

Is not the underlying cause.

If there is a third wave and variants play a part and the vaccination is ineffective against those variants then covid passports become a distraction not part of the solution.

If vaccinations are effective and continue to be so, vaccinated people are safe and it won't matter who they sit next to at the Riverside. If they don't work due to a variant then passports are useless.
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The number of people waiting for hospital treatment in England has hit a record high amid the coronavirus crisis.

An estimated 4.66 million people were waiting to begin treatment at the end of January, according to NHS England.

It is the highest since records began in August 2007.

The number waiting more than a year was 304,044 in January - the highest for any month since January 2008.

In comparison, the number in January 2020 was just 1,643.Screenshot_20210421-152216.jpg
 
i was on a train on sunday and the guard came round to check the tickets. half an hour went past, we stopped at a few stations and then another guard came round asking to see all the tickets again. several passengers were a bit stroppy asking why they needed to be checked again? He said it was just procedure to check every 30 mins on that service. people were miffed. and this was a guard asking quite legitimately to see peoples tickets on a train.

so the idea that people are going to willingly show a document to get into a pub or go to a match or do something they've never been asked to justify before just isnt going to work. there will be a few who forget, a few who refuse to show documents and, given its a football match a fair few who have come from the pub after a few pints.

its a recipe for trouble
 
Ironops said:
i was on a train on sunday and the guard came round to check the tickets. half an hour went past, we stopped at a few stations and then another guard came round asking to see all the tickets again. several passengers were a bit stroppy asking why they needed to be checked again? He said it was just procedure to check every 30 mins on that service. people were miffed. and this was a guard asking quite legitimately to see peoples tickets on a train.

so the idea that people are going to willingly show a document to get into a pub or go to a match or do something they've never been asked to justify before just isnt going to work. there will be a few who forget, a few who refuse to show documents and, given its a football match a fair few who have come from the pub after a few pints.

its a recipe for trouble
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So you're saying we shouldn't do it because people will whine about it?

Not the greatest reason
 
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