Workers rights

Johnnyweetabix said:
I’m still o the fence . There’s a whole swathe of people who have no idea how to interact in real life meetings , deal with real people in person , handle conflict as it happens etc , never mind team sport and moral etc . I’ve managed hundreds of people and seen that level of interaction really suffer .

On the other hand j see the flexibility and other benefits and during Covid got to see some of them also.
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I agree with this. I used to WFH a lot before covid but at least had years of office work to know how to act professionally. If yiu start your working life wfh I'm guessing you'll miss out on developing key skills in how to treat and interact with your co workers
 
SmallTown said:
I agree with this. I used to WFH a lot before covid but at least had years of office work to know how to act professionally. If yiu start your working life wfh I'm guessing you'll miss out on developing key skills in how to treat and interact with your co workers
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I’ve been on zoom / teams call after call and you can guarantee that the folks who don’t turn their cameras on will be the younger ones . You have to almost force them to turn their camera on. …. Oh and heaven forbid you ask them their views ….. I have them using the chat function rather than speak …. This is the kind of skills being underdeveloped by home working
 
I feel sorry for young people at the beginning of their careers who need real life interaction to develop in their roles. Zoom/teams etc has been very good but it’s not the same. I think having a 50/50 split between the office and WFH is the way to go. Possibly add incentives to go in… free lunch? Subsidised travel??
 
Johnnyweetabix said:
I’ve been on zoom / teams call after call and you can guarantee that the folks who don’t turn their cameras on will be the younger ones . You have to almost force them to turn their camera on. …. Oh and heaven forbid you ask them their views ….. I have them using the chat function rather than speak …. This is the kind of skills being underdeveloped by home working
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Yeah, I think it's a very legitimate point. I think hybrid working is the best of both worlds. But it needs to be done properly. At my work we have teams now thinly spread all across the UK, including one person who has just started, based in the Glasgow office. His nearest colleagues are York.

Utterly pointless him coming into the office. But it was stupid recruiting someone to be located in Glasgow in the first place.

I do think people need time face to face with colleagues but there needs to be a point and it needs coordinating properly. A lot of employers aren't particularly good at that bit yet.

"You need to spend some time in the office" seems to be extent of the strategy in a lot of places. Which isn't really good enough.
 
Wiseman_Vaughn said:
I feel sorry for young people at the beginning of their careers who need real life interaction to develop in their roles. Zoom/teams etc has been very good but it’s not the same. I think having a 50/50 split between the office and WFH is the way to go. Possibly add incentives to go in… free lunch? Subsidised travel??
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I think subsidised travel and counting your travel time as part of your working day (within reason) would help a lot.

No doubt would be scoffed at by your average daily mail reader, but times change. Pensioners might not have had travel paid for, but on the other hand they could buy a house.
 
I am at the stage of my career where I'm established and have learnt all the major things I need to learn so working from home for me is great. I avoid commuting and I can be around to see the kids, take them to school, pick them up etc which I can't do when I'm in the office.

When I was younger all the more interesting parts of the job were essentially shadowing the seniors. The younger ones now don't seem to be interested in doing that. They want to do the job they are getting paid for and that is it. The problem with that is they think they are getting enough experience to do more senior roles but they have no exposure or experience of those roles so have nothing that makes them ready for promotion. All they are getting experience of is the low level processing tasks.

I also like socialising with colleagues which I do miss when we're not in the office. There's a lot of people I would see in the office but aren't in my direct team which I rarely see because there's no reason to call them so not seeing the wider team is a negative. The younger ones don't seem to have any interest in interacting with people at work though. It's as if they've all seen the same memes on tiktok of the gen z "I hate work and all my co-workers, just get paid and get out of there" attitude.
 
SmallTown said:
I agree with this. I used to WFH a lot before covid but at least had years of office work to know how to act professionally. If yiu start your working life wfh I'm guessing you'll miss out on developing key skills in how to treat and interact with your co workers
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In house training and development with a core team, then off you pop, if you so wish, to work from home.

There's no doubt people in positions where working from home isn't feasible, but for someone experienced and fully trained, why on Earth not if it can be done.

Poor managers struggle with people working independently. That's a major problem.
 
RedAsABeetroot said:
Is it only me who feels like customer service from the likes of banks, etc has gone massively downhill since WFH became the norm for many? Some are too busy brewing up, eating biscuits and walking the dog.
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No they’re not
Do you really think their employers allow them to do those things while being paid?
 
RedAsABeetroot said:
Is it only me who feels like customer service from the likes of banks, etc has gone massively downhill since WFH became the norm for many? Some are too busy brewing up, eating biscuits and walking the dog.
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Not for me, it happened way before COVID struck, started a long time ago when bank branches began to close.

It's not just the banks either.
 
AytonMews said:
Are some posters genuinely suggesting that more people working from home has had a POSITIVE impact on town centre cafes and coffee shops??


What world do people live in 😅
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It really is quite laughable. It boils my pi$$ in truth.

Shall i make a coffee and a ham sarnie from my Sainsburys ( or similar ) big shop for around a quid or shall i nip to the local cafe on a daily basis half a mile down the road grab a takeaway coffee and sarnie for my lunch at around £7 a pop like when i worked in the office, I can still nip back home, yes i must do that for the local businesses sake. I mean it will save me £30 a week to stay home and i can watch 'loose women' , I mean finish that important report, but i'll spend locally to home.

Hmmm, Every poster on here would never take the mick or be selfish, saving a few quid for nights out, put in the hols fund, lease a better car etc, just other folk I'm sure, Nobody on here will ever moan about how town and city centres are dying on their @rses while Sainsburys and others profits keep on rising, everbody spends in local shops and caffs now. If they do moan about the death of town centres, it'll be those useless politicians fault anyway.

Community, we don't need one as long as 'I'm consideably better off than i was' by working from home.
 
TeessideCleveland said:
No they’re not
Do you really think their employers allow them to do those things while being paid?
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No it was very much tongue in cheek, but standards of customer service have declined massively so clearly something is wrong.
I do worry about how people learn in the current environment. I work in a job where WFH is rarely possible, but I look back to my early career where there were lots of people I was with daily that I could learn from. Now I go to places and meet people in their early 20s who are basically sent up sh*t creek alone, without a paddle. I genuinely feel sorry for them because work can't be enjoyable in those circumstances.
 
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Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
In house training and development with a core team, then off you pop, if you so wish, to work from home.

There's no doubt people in positions where working from home isn't feasible, but for someone experienced and fully trained, why on Earth not if it can be done.

Poor managers struggle with people working independently. That's a major problem.
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Or if the role is shîte, has no development and the person doesn't feel valued. Guess what people will take the ****. In other words for good employers it can work for bad employers staff are not going to be as effective
 
festa5 said:
Yeah, I think it's a very legitimate point. I think hybrid working is the best of both worlds. But it needs to be done properly. At my work we have teams now thinly spread all across the UK, including one person who has just started, based in the Glasgow office. His nearest colleagues are York.

Utterly pointless him coming into the office. But it was stupid recruiting someone to be located in Glasgow in the first place.

I do think people need time face to face with colleagues but there needs to be a point and it needs coordinating properly. A lot of employers aren't particularly good at that bit yet.

"You need to spend some time in the office" seems to be extent of the strategy in a lot of places. Which isn't really good enough.
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I agree with this. If someone has been successfully WFH for a few years now then I think they need more of a reason than 'because we say so' to return to the office.
 
When i have a "WFH" day i work more than i do in the workplace! Do the odd Teams/Zoom Call which is good cause you can go off for a **** and stay in the call.
 
SCG said:
When i have a "WFH" day i work more than i do in the workplace! Do the odd Teams/Zoom Call which is good cause you can go off for a **** and stay in the call.
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Me too, I find it incredibly distracting being in the office now. All the interruptions and just the actual presence of all the background conversations make it very tricky for me to concentrate.

I get very little done and have to make up for it on my WFH days. Maybe I am not representative of most people but if I am, can you imagine the decrease in productivity from returning people to an office full time?
 
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