Will Everton points deduction stand ??

Jedi boro

Jedi boro

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As we know only too well never say never where the premier league/FA are concerned it seems that some laws only apply to certain clubs. So do you think the Everton points deduction will stand or can you say it being lessened or dropped altogether.
 
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I think it is too hard to call, would it be fair to the fans - we know the answer to that.

Everton also have another sanction hanging over them for further breaches.

The Guardian: - Everton. Monday brings a must-win Premier League home game against fellow strugglers Crystal Palace, the only team Everton have beaten in their past 11 matches.

The release of victory in that FA Cup third-round replay proved fleeting as a fourth-round exit to Luton followed 10 days later. No date is fixed in the diary but Everton also anticipate a verdict this week on their appeal against a 10-point deduction for a single breach of Premier League profit and sustainability rules. The ramifications will be considerable whenever it arrives.


The return of points already won on the pitch by Sean Dyche’s side would obviously aid their fight against relegation but, by virtue of an independent commission accepting some or all of the club’s arguments, it should also strengthen Everton’s defence against the second PSR charge that was brought last month. Lose the appeal, however, and not only does the 10-point punishment stand but the threat increases of a second points deduction before the end of the season. The second charge, after all, covers two-thirds of the period for which Everton have already been found guilty of a £19.5m breach.
 
Norman_Conquest said:
I think it is too hard to call, would it be fair to the fans - we know the answer to that.

Everton also have another sanction hanging over them for further breaches.

The Guardian: - Everton. Monday brings a must-win Premier League home game against fellow strugglers Crystal Palace, the only team Everton have beaten in their past 11 matches.

The release of victory in that FA Cup third-round replay proved fleeting as a fourth-round exit to Luton followed 10 days later. No date is fixed in the diary but Everton also anticipate a verdict this week on their appeal against a 10-point deduction for a single breach of Premier League profit and sustainability rules. The ramifications will be considerable whenever it arrives.


The return of points already won on the pitch by Sean Dyche’s side would obviously aid their fight against relegation but, by virtue of an independent commission accepting some or all of the club’s arguments, it should also strengthen Everton’s defence against the second PSR charge that was brought last month. Lose the appeal, however, and not only does the 10-point punishment stand but the threat increases of a second points deduction before the end of the season. The second charge, after all, covers two-thirds of the period for which Everton have already been found guilty of a £19.5m breach.
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I fully expect them to play the history card and I’d be amazed if Kenright isn’t brought up either so I’m not sure.

As I say

not all animals are equal.
 
Jedi boro said:
I fully expect them to play the history card and I’d be amazed if Kenright isn’t brought up either so I’m not sure.

As I say

not all animals are equal.
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I don't buy this 'conspiracy theory'
You want them to be relegated, but they're not getting any favouritism - in fact other clubs haven't had points deducted

Tottenham have twice had points deducted and then returned in the past too

Personally - and like you I don't know for certain - I'd guess they'll get some points back, but not all. Then the FA can say they're still taking a stand

I don't think they should have had a second charge while an appeal was ongoing - as it could be seen to be prejudicial to that

And I also think Chelsea Citeh and Forest should be charged at the same time

If they get any points back and beat Palace they're back up the league a bit

I'm interested but not bothered either way whether they stay up , or even get wound up (as all relegated clubs over the last few years have been given the right to sue them over this)

As @Norman_Conquest says it's the fans who will be the ones punished most if it stands

Anyway by 10pm tomorrow we'll have a clearer idea how the table looks
 
TeessideCleveland said:
I don't buy this 'conspiracy theory'
You want them to be relegated, but they're not getting any favouritism - in fact other clubs haven't had points deducted

Tottenham have twice had points deducted and then returned in the past too

Personally - and like you I don't know for certain - I'd guess they'll get some points back, but not all. Then the FA can say they're still taking a stand

I don't think they should have had a second charge while an appeal was ongoing - as it could be seen to be prejudicial to that

And I also think Chelsea Citeh and Forest should be charged at the same time

If they get any points back and beat Palace they're back up the league a bit

I'm interested but not bothered either way whether they stay up , or even get wound up (as all relegated clubs over the last few years have been given the right to sue them over this)

As @Norman_Conquest says it's the fans who will be the ones punished most if it stands

Anyway by 10pm tomorrow we'll have a clearer idea how the table looks
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I'm sure City, Chelsea and Forest will look at this with interest because, at some point, they will also be charged.
 
I think whatever happens theyl survive . Any punishment will be done and dusted this season and theyl go into a new season in a brand new stadium with a top 10 manager better positioned in yrs .
 
Jedi boro said:
We’re discussing this at work the other day and I said I wouldnt be surprised if man city have offered to help as you say this could be bad news for city if it stands.
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I wouldn't be surprised if all the PL teams are guilty of it in one way or another. If the league decides to stay with their initial decision, I think more points should be deducted for appealing.

The one I would like to see stopped is the Championship teams breaking the rules and getting away with it due to reaching the PL. The rules should follow them with an immediate points deduction.
 
I think the Everton and Man City cases are quite different, with the formers being much more straightforward.

Which means that the potential chances of successfully appealing against their respective punishments will vary on that basis.
 
Jonny Ingbar said:
I think the Everton and Man City cases are quite different, with the formers being much more straightforward.

Which means that the potential chances of successfully appealing against their respective punishments will vary on that basis.
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I agree but I think any Everton deduction sets a precedent and opens the floodgates
 
Jedi boro said:
I agree but I think any Everton deduction sets a precedent and opens the floodgates
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Everton have reported, and accept that they made, a breach of the PSR losses limit. Both the original hearing and the appeal are just about the appropriate tariff of punishment, given their perceived mitigating circumstances.

The appeal certainly sets a benchmark for the tariff for other clubs that breach that limit. But Man City haven’t reported a breach, and aren’t as such charged with making one. The offences they are charged with are much more obscure. Which not only makes them harder to prove, it means that any tariff sat in the Everton case will be pretty meaningless as precedent

Nor does it really open the floodgates, since the rules are changing next season, so this season is the last one for which the offence Everton are charged with can be committed.
 
Everton might get a reduced penalty because the accepted below value bids for Richarlison to try and appease the situation.

Forest waited to get more for Brennan Johnson but went out with the accounting period for P&S, so they might become undone and punished harsher than Everton after appeal.

Man Coty is a completely different kettle of fish.

Chelsea are almost certainly going to breach the P&S rules.
 
I suspect that it will be reduced to 6 points then the pending penalty will also be 6 points leading to a total of 12 points deducted.

Then, probably, Forest get a 6pt deduction, leading to 6 points becoming the standard precedent for clubs who fess up to a simple breach quickly.
 
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