Will Bamford be in the England euros squad?
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Marvanelli
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I reckon if you put Watkins in that Leeds team, with the amount of chances Leeds create, Watkins would have more goals than Bamford.
Bamford misses a lot of good chances. It's his work off the ball that I think Bielsa likes.
I don't think I'd be confident of Bamford going through 1v1 to score a goal in a KO game to send us into the next round...
Much rather have Ings, Callum Wilson....or even try and drag Vardy out of retirement before we include Bamford in the squad.
Bamford misses a lot of good chances. It's his work off the ball that I think Bielsa likes.
I don't think I'd be confident of Bamford going through 1v1 to score a goal in a KO game to send us into the next round...
Much rather have Ings, Callum Wilson....or even try and drag Vardy out of retirement before we include Bamford in the squad.
bear66
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Bamford gets to balls that few other players would. That's why he gets so many chances.
Marvanelli
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I tend to agree he makes defenders make mistakes at times and that's where some of his chances come from.
But this season, the amount of the sitters he's missed is astonishing.
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather my striker be getting into those positions to miss, than not get a chance at all....but for England and at International level, you need striker to get into those positions and score more often than not.
He's had a great season nonetheless, especially for his first full season in the Premier League.
bear66
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Same here. Great to see a striker with good movement putting defenders under pressure.
Kane had a similar miss ratio to Bamford when this was mentioned after Christmas, but Kane's misses tend to be drifting inside long shots rather than Bamford's closer misses.
BoroMart
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My thoughts on the squad:
- Are we really that desperate for CBs that Dier is still in the squad? It's the major weakness in our squad
- I like that we are now getting youth into the FB positions, it looks bright with Saka and Reece James in the squad after a couple of years looking a little dodgy at FB
- Jesse Lingard, that's a backwards step
- great to see Belligham in
- Watkins probably deserves a chance, I think this is a settling in season for him, next year is the big one where he will either become a top player or drift.
- Are we really that desperate for CBs that Dier is still in the squad? It's the major weakness in our squad
- I like that we are now getting youth into the FB positions, it looks bright with Saka and Reece James in the squad after a couple of years looking a little dodgy at FB
- Jesse Lingard, that's a backwards step
- great to see Belligham in
- Watkins probably deserves a chance, I think this is a settling in season for him, next year is the big one where he will either become a top player or drift.
TeaCider
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Saka is being used more as a winger at Arsenal now, isn't he? He's listed in the England squad list as one too.
I don't Lingard would be in the squad if Maddison and Graelish were fit.
Marvanelli
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And Barnes
Alvez_48
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Hang fire are you suggesting Bamford doesn't get service at the team that produces most goal scoring chances in the league?!
Bamford is a good player and has found his level, he's not good enough to be a player at international level for England.
Boro_Legend
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Very harsh on him. The wait goes on for him.
Frozen Horse
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I think if a squad had been announced in December, he'd have been in. Since the turn of the year his form has dipped, and I don't think he was likely to force his way in on recent form.
10 goals in 16 games up to New Year
3 goals in 12 games since
I don't know if he's lost a bit of form, or if PL defenders know a bit better what to expect from him.
With regards to Watkins, he has the advantage of being able to play across the front line, which GS likes. Kane and DCL in the central roles doesn't leave too much option for Paddy.
10 goals in 16 games up to New Year
3 goals in 12 games since
I don't know if he's lost a bit of form, or if PL defenders know a bit better what to expect from him.
With regards to Watkins, he has the advantage of being able to play across the front line, which GS likes. Kane and DCL in the central roles doesn't leave too much option for Paddy.
BoroMart
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Agreed, although I think he might end up more as an Ashley Cole type FB, too much competition on the wings for him
Redlips
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vardy is the match winner for me. If he played v Croatia in the World Cup semi we would have made it to the final.
BoroMart
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Not so sure, seen Watkins miss lots of chances too. I would think BAmford will end his career with more goals than Watkins
TeaCider
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I don't know.
Unless my maths is wrong, Watkins is already close to having scored more than him.
Bamford has scored 93 and assisted 26 in 264 games.
Watkins is 2 years younger and has scored 87 and assisted 37 in 251 games.
it depends how Watkins develops as Bamford is in his prime now.
jonny_greenings_sock
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Sancho, Sterling, Greenwood, Grealish, Mount, Foden?
So many options for forwards. I know yours is a list of proper number 9s and most of the others can play anywhere else across the front 3 (I'd put Rashford in that category), or as number 10s.
I reckon for games he'll go Kane, DCL as backup, and Pep-ball if anything happens to both of them. Bamford has a chance like as he can play that central role and is intelligent, but international level might be a bit much for him. Greenwood's class and a lethal natural two-footed finisher, he can play central.
It's quite weird to see an England team with so many options. Jaw dropped a bit when I saw he'd dropped the world's best right back who's apparently now fourth choice (though if Trent needs anything, it's a rest, though I don't understand why Gareth is then talking tough to the cameras and challenging him to raise his level!)
TeaCider
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I don't think it's that surprising.
He's been really poor this season and has never played particularly well for England, he's also never been first choice for England.
Walker is the main right back for the runaway league leaders in England and an England regular.
Trippier is the main right back for the league leaders in Spain and an England regular.
Reece James is the main right back for a team above Liverpool and is currently playing better than Alexander-Arnold, I expect he's a distant 3rd choice though.
I think the real surprise is Reece James getting picked over Wan Bissaka, who's playing well at United, unless Wan Bissaka has made it clear he's switching to DR Congo.
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TheYorkshireTerrier
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Yeah mine were just the out and out striker options, those you mention I can never tell if they class as forwards or midfielders these days.
Am I the only one who still finds it hard to adjust to an England team that doesn’t include at least one of the ‘golden generation’?
All these young, exciting options take me by surprise when I see their names in a squad. I’m half expecting to see a Gareth Barry or Scott Parker in there.jonny_greenings_sock
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Haha, yeah - hey it's never too late for James Milner to come out of retirement.
Second name on the team sheet for me after Kane. Though perhaps he does need Liverpool's system to function and class players like Van Dijk behind him to make up for what he doesn't offer defensively - i.e. not Harry Maguire.
Seems crazy to me. There's no-one in world football I'd have over Trent Alexander-Arnold. Even if you include left backs it's between him and young Alphonse at Bayern, but TAA is also lethal at set pieces.
Second name on the team sheet for me after Kane. Though perhaps he does need Liverpool's system to function and class players like Van Dijk behind him to make up for what he doesn't offer defensively - i.e. not Harry Maguire.