Wilful Neglect

NorthumberlandBoro said:
A bit strange. Like you say, must be more to the story.
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Must be.

Otherwise Pandora's box is open.

JM14 said:
Who's refusing to treat cancer patients?
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www.bbc.co.uk

Man dies after cancer op halted due to Covid - BBC News

Adrian Rogers was told his bowel cancer had become inoperable after surgery was delayed.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Why is a covid patient more important than a patient with cancer, who had been told he could have an operation to remove it. Imagine having that opportunity snatched away for what?
 
This could set a really interesting precedent going forwards.

What is your obligation as an employee to the safety of those you care for. E.g if the staff caught covid from doing something outside of the national guidelines, and then this led to an outbreak. Or failed to wear PPE at somepoint during care.


I am a little concerned that it is suggested in the article that these people have had the 1st vaccination.
 
Randy said:
Must be.

Otherwise Pandora's box is open.


www.bbc.co.uk

Man dies after cancer op halted due to Covid - BBC News

Adrian Rogers was told his bowel cancer had become inoperable after surgery was delayed.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Why is a covid patient more important than a patient with cancer, who had been told he could have an operation to remove it. Imagine having that opportunity snatched away for what?
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It’s more complex than who’s more important the cancer patient or the covid patient
 
Randy said:
Must be.

Otherwise Pandora's box is open.


www.bbc.co.uk

Man dies after cancer op halted due to Covid - BBC News

Adrian Rogers was told his bowel cancer had become inoperable after surgery was delayed.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Why is a covid patient more important than a patient with cancer, who had been told he could have an operation to remove it. Imagine having that opportunity snatched away for what?
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Im sure you already know this, but its not that hospitals have just decided to prioritise covid over everything else. When ICUs are running close to capacity and are still having people through their doors then its impossible to carry out other major operations without the staff to properly care for patients.

Hopefully will make people realise this is another impact of covid when its downplayed as a bad flu and only impacts the elderly.

Its extremely disrespectful and also factually incorrect to suggest that the NHS have just refused to treat cancer patients. I would suggest you remove that comment.
 
Borobuddah said:
I don’t think it suggests they had 1st jab?
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You are quite right. Apologies. The independent article suggested that "most staff and residents have been vaccinated which has reduced the severity of the outbreak"

It would be unknown as to whether any of those involved were vaccinated or not.
 
JM14 said:
Im sure you already know this, but its not that hospitals have just decided to prioritise covid over everything else. When ICUs are running close to capacity and are still having people through their doors then its impossible to carry out other major operations without the staff to properly care for patients.

Hopefully will make people realise this is another impact of covid when its downplayed as a bad flu and only impacts the elderly.

Its extremely disrespectful and also factually incorrect to suggest that the NHS have just refused to treat cancer patients. I would suggest you remove that comment.
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I can't remove it as it is black and white in the article.
He had his operation cancelled because they wouldn't put him on a recovery ward with covid patients. How is that me been disrespectful?

As Gaz said, I'm sure it is more complex then we are been told. Covid has took precedent over every other ailment, some have been lucky and a received treatment as some on this very forum have attested to. Others haven't

www.cancerresearchuk.org

GPs report ‘perfect storm’ of problems leading to 20,000 drop in urgent referrals for lung cancer - Cancer Research UK - Cancer News

Reluctance to attend hospital tests and come forward about symptoms could be contributing to delays in lung cancer diagnosis.
www.cancerresearchuk.org www.cancerresearchuk.org

Look at that, 91% of GP's asked believe a reluctance to go to hospital/doctors has contributed to a delay in diagnosis and a huge 68% of them reporting problems with remote diagnosis (pretty much impossible to remotely diagnose cancer).

Don't you dare accuse me of been disrespectful, have you lost a friend this year as a direct result of lockdown measures and covid prioritising? Because I have.
 
Randy said:
Covid has took precedent over every other ailment, some have been lucky and a received treatment as some on this very forum have attested to. Others haven't
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I don't know why this particular operation was postponed. But, if the ICU is FULL and the operation is likely to result in the patient needing to spend some time in an ICU bed, what other option is open to the hospital?

And then there is the risk of bringing someone (possibly with a compromised immune system) into a place full of COVID patients.
 
Muttley said:
I don't know why this particular operation was postponed. But, if the ICU is FULL and the operation is likely to result in the patient needing to spend some time in an ICU bed, what other option is open to the hospital?

And then there is the risk of bringing someone (possibly with a compromised immune system) into a place full of COVID patients.
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Find another room for them. They found extra for covid patients (rightly so may I add) so why not that unfortunate man. It's not right and the decision cannot be defended.
 
Randy said:
I can't remove it as it is black and white in the article.
He had his operation cancelled because they wouldn't put him on a recovery ward with covid patients. How is that me been disrespectful?

As Gaz said, I'm sure it is more complex then we are been told. Covid has took precedent over every other ailment, some have been lucky and a received treatment as some on this very forum have attested to. Others haven't

www.cancerresearchuk.org

GPs report ‘perfect storm’ of problems leading to 20,000 drop in urgent referrals for lung cancer - Cancer Research UK - Cancer News

Reluctance to attend hospital tests and come forward about symptoms could be contributing to delays in lung cancer diagnosis.
www.cancerresearchuk.org www.cancerresearchuk.org

Look at that, 91% of GP's asked believe a reluctance to go to hospital/doctors has contributed to a delay in diagnosis and a huge 68% of them reporting problems with remote diagnosis (pretty much impossible to remotely diagnose cancer).

Don't you dare accuse me of been disrespectful, have you lost a friend this year as a direct result of lockdown measures and covid prioritising? Because I have.
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You mentioned hospitals refusing to treat cancer patients, that’s not only disrespectful but completely untrue. Still plenty of cancer treatments going on, but if they don’t have the staff then what can they do.
Covid treatments clearly had to be prioritised, someone already very ill with Covid could die in a matter of hours without immediate medical care, not hard to see why this needed to be prioritised over pretty much everything else, surely you can understand this?
The story is absolutely heartbreaking, but it just goes to show what happens when Covid gets out of hand. But your making it sound like hospital staff are prioritising Covid for no apparent reason, which again is completely disrespectful to the medical professionals in that position.
 
Randy said:
Find another room for them. They found extra for covid patients (rightly so may I add) so why not that unfortunate man. It's not right and the decision cannot be defended.
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You must realise it’s not as simple as finding another room right? If the ICU is full then it’s full. It takes years to train staff to that level, it’s hardly like they can just stick a few extra beds in a room and it’s problem solved.
 
JM14 said:
You must realise it’s not as simple as finding another room right? If the ICU is full then it’s full. It takes years to train staff to that level, it’s hardly like they can just stick a few extra beds in a room and it’s problem solved.
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The simple fact in that story I linked was that the patients with covid were given priority over the guy with treatable cancer who then went and passed away after his treatment was cancelled. Those are facts. Not something I've made up which you are basically accusing me of. It's all in the article.
 
Randy said:
The simple fact in that story I linked was that the patients with covid were given priority over the guy with treatable cancer
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Did you actually read the story you linked?

This is what it said:
the procedure was cancelled as medics felt it was too risky for him to share an intensive care ward with Covid patients.
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The intensive care ward was full of COVID patients, he has just completed a course of chemotherapy and would therefore have a compromised immune system (that's what chemo does) so putting him in a room full of COVID patients would in all likelihood have killed him six months earlier. What do you want the hospital to do? Kick out ten or twelve COVID patients to treat one cancer patient? It's a s***y choice but that's what doctors have to do when you have an overstressed overloaded health service. Hence why we are in the lockdown you are constantly railing against.

Of course we could just...
Randy said:
Find another room for them
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FFS
 
Muttley said:
Did you actually read the story you linked?

This is what it said:

The intensive care ward was full of COVID patients, he has just completed a course of chemotherapy and would therefore have a compromised immune system (that's what chemo does) so putting him in a room full of COVID patients would in all likelihood have killed him six months earlier. What do you want the hospital to do? Kick out ten or twelve COVID patients to treat one cancer patient? It's a s***y choice but that's what doctors have to do when you have an overstressed overloaded health service. Hence why we are in the lockdown you are constantly railing against.

Of course we could just...

FFS
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I'm sure his family will be comforted by your kind words.

Damn straight I'm against lockdowns. Especially when they are also causing kids to kill themselves too but you are alright Jack.


Back to the subject at hand, I haven't seen any other info regarding the care home worker's arrests, has anybody else?
 
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