Why is David Moyes next favourite for the sack?

Nano said:
Everyone wants progress. West Ham think they are being overtaken by Villa, Newcastle, Brighton etc. All those teams want to be best of the rest and pushing for the CL.

I have always said that if a manager plays boring/effective football then fans are happy when results are going their way but quickly turn when results aren't. It's hard to defend negative football when you are chasing a game. Karanka had it in the PL, Mourinho had it everywhere he's been, Pulis got us to the playoffs but we were still desperate to see the back of him etc.

You'll never satisfy all the fans. There will always be some that think things should be better even when it's going well. I don't know many City fans so I don't know if they complain about Pep ever but I remember hearing some negativity about him when they lost the CL final to Chelsea because they went with a bizarre team selection.
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I agree, style of play does matter.

If we had a pulis type now with our current position and run of results there would be a clamour of voices asking for him to be sacked.

Thankfully there isn't even a murmur about Carrick's position, other than talk of him choosing to leave.
 
Palace are a bit of a quandary and I can see why their fans are a bit irked. Not sure why they kept Hodgson on in the summer. They didn't seem to have a plan on how they wanted to progress and seemed happy to try and just stay still, which can be a recipe for disaster, as they are finding out now. Lucky for them, Sheff Utd and Burnley are having terrible seasons and points deductions affecting Everton and possibly Forest.
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
I agree, style of play does matter.

If we had a pulis type now with our current position and run of results there would be a clamour of voices asking for him to be sacked.

Thankfully there isn't even a murmur about Carrick's position, other than talk of him choosing to leave.
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It was a big factor the style of play under Pulis but it was far from the only factor

- wasting money on absolute *****
- making it clear he thought he was doing us a massive favour being here and only then because of "Steve"
- throwing players under the bus

So maybe more a combination of style of play and personality.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Yeah he’s a club man isn’t he. I would hope he was doing Palace a favour while they got their next man lined up. It’s a shame to see his career end like this really but he’s had a very good one.
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Hmm, I agree to a point. He's been managing for 48 years.

He's only won one 'thing' since 1990 though. He had a great 1980s in Scandinavia.

He was also atrocious as England manager. Nice bloke though.
 
atypical_boro said:
Hmm, I agree to a point. He's been managing for 48 years.

He's only won one 'thing' since 1990 though. He had a great 1980s in Scandinavia.

He was also atrocious as England manager. Nice bloke though.
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Managed his country, managed Liverpool and Inter Milan, took Fulham to a UEFA Cup final, took Switzerland to a World Cup for the first time in ages. He’s easy to mock but he’s actually a bit of trailblazer imo.
 
File West Ham with Newcastle.

Fans think they are a sleeping giant and should be mixing it with the big boys. Moyes has done as well as anyone has and will with them, got them a european trophy and currently sitting 8th in the league. No manager comes in and improves that either. He has built a squad that play an effective style that gets results - they have had a bad spell but as do and will every other team outside the top 4-5.

Problem is, football fans are idiots and they demand the team plays like Liverpool and Man City. You'll hear shouts of id rather lose 4-3 and be entertained. its all a load of rubbish but Moyes at West Ham stinks of Southgate and England - never was accepted and never will be accepted the minute it goes pear shaped.

Heard strong rumours he could be gone by the weekend. West Ham fans very keen on Carrick still.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Managed his country, managed Liverpool and Inter Milan, took Fulham to a UEFA Cup final, took Switzerland to a World Cup for the first time in ages. He’s easy to mock but he’s actually a bit of trailblazer imo.
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Yeah he's certainly achieved stuff, and I doubt he'll be regretting much about his professional life. But for the last couple of decades he has mostly been seen as a bit of a grafter rather than a trailblazer. Certainly since he became a prominent figure in England.

He's achieved more than me in the game, so I'm not mocking.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Hodgson has been treated appallingly by Crystal Palace imo
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Maybe so.

But his treatment (or lack of) with his best players has been a disgrace this season.

Playing Eze and Olise so soon after their injuries, especially when their own physio's strongly recommended Roy to ease them in, could cost them in the long run.

Obviously he knew he was under pressure to get results, but he's risked his two star men far far too much and it's now cost both of them, with them both being injured.

Olise is out for up to 3 months apparently.

That's nothing but gross negligence
 
Marvanelli said:
Maybe so.

But his treatment (or lack of) with his best players has been a disgrace this season.

Playing Eze and Olise so soon after their injuries, especially when their own physio's strongly recommended Roy to ease them in, could cost them in the long run.

Obviously he knew he was under pressure to get results, but he's risked his two star men far far too much and it's now cost both of them, with them both being injured.

Olise is out for up to 3 months apparently.

That's nothing but gross negligence
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Nobody outside those directly involved knows what was said about Olise’s injury. I’d be absolutely amazed if Hodgson had been told that he shouldn’t play Olise, or bring him off the bench. Unless he was lying to the press when asked about it of course.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Nobody outside those directly involved knows what was said about Olise’s injury. I’d be absolutely amazed if Hodgson had been told that he shouldn’t play Olise, or bring him off the bench. Unless he was lying to the press when asked about it of course.
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Even if he didn't.

He literally brought him off the bench against Brighton (this is after he got a knock in the game against Sheff Utd and had to be substituted) and at the time they were 3-0 down with the game pretty much over.

To risk bringing him off the bench during a game in which was pretty much over was a ridiculous decision. A decision the Palace fans had every single right to be annoyed at.

He lasted 10 minutes after being subbed on....and now is out for 2+ months because of it.
 
atypical_boro said:
Yeah he's certainly achieved stuff, and I doubt he'll be regretting much about his professional life. But for the last couple of decades he has mostly been seen as a bit of a grafter rather than a trailblazer. Certainly since he became a prominent figure in England.

He's achieved more than me in the game, so I'm not mocking.
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I just meant in general really. He’s someone who doesn’t really play the media game and I think that affects how he’s talked about. Imagine if a young bespectacled German coach in tailored trousers took Fulham to a European final, you’d never hear the end of it. Same with McClaren in some respects. He was useless at PR. The press smashed him for it. Hodgson doesn’t like fielding their questions and gets smashed for it. Someone like Allardyce though, who has achieved far, far less than both Hodgson and McClaren was lauded for years and years because he gave them decent quotes.
 
Marvanelli said:
Even if he didn't.

He literally brought him off the bench against Brighton (this is after he got a knock in the game against Sheff Utd and had to be substituted) and at the time they were 3-0 down with the game pretty much over.

To risk bringing him off the bench during a game in which was pretty much over was a ridiculous decision. A decision the Palace fans had every single right to be annoyed at.

He lasted 10 minutes after being subbed on....and now is out for 2+ months because of it.
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Wait, I thought you were sure he did?

If he’s been told he’s fit enough to come off the bench then he’s well within his rights to bring him on. We don’t know the inner workings. As I said, I’d be amazed if Hodgson was prepared to put the well-being of a player at risk when his team were 3-0 down.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Wait, I thought you were sure he did?
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There's no concrete evidence that I can find, but there have been rumours. Maybe there's no smoke without fire.

viv_andersons_nana said:
As I said, I’d be amazed if Hodgson was prepared to put the well-being of a player at risk when his team were 3-0 down.
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Well he literally did.

He missed Arsenal away through injury. Played 70 minutes against Sheff Utd and needed to be hooked. Then he was on the bench for Brighton (A), 3 days later, which to them is a huge game, arguably one of the biggest of the season. The fact he was on the bench in such a huge game spoke volumes.

It's been pretty evident this season he has rushed back his players from injury and it is no surprise his two big star men have ended up with a reoccurrence of their injuries.

Like I said, it's probably down to the pressure he's under to get results, especially from the fans. That shouldn't be an excuse though.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Yeah he’s a club man isn’t he. I would hope he was doing Palace a favour while they got their next man lined up. It’s a shame to see his career end like this really but he’s had a very good one.
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The ultimate journeyman football manager save. Getting Gothenburg to a European Cup Final is insane really (albeit the game has changed massively in the interim).

Revolutionised Swedish football and is still regarded as the Godfather of the "Swedish style" to this do.

EDIT: Glasner is a hell of a coach mind, anticipate he'll do very well with what is actually a fairly decent squad.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
I just meant in general really. He’s someone who doesn’t really play the media game and I think that affects how he’s talked about. Imagine if a young bespectacled German coach in tailored trousers took Fulham to a European final, you’d never hear the end of it. Same with McClaren in some respects. He was useless at PR. The press smashed him for it. Hodgson doesn’t like fielding their questions and gets smashed for it. Someone like Allardyce though, who has achieved far, far less than both Hodgson and McClaren was lauded for years and years because he gave them decent quotes.
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Yes I do agree. In more recent years he's got some more plaudits, especially this season for losing his rag a few times. In fact he was described as having a 'Bricktop' side earlier this season on Guardian Football Weekly. Maybe he should have embraced this side earlier in his career to enhance his media profile, unless that's what's caused him his ill health.

I do think ex-England managers will largely be judged on their England performance though, and I couldn't make any argument for his tenure being anything other than a disaster. As it was at Liverpool. You'd have to ask Inter fans about his time there, but on paper it didn't really pull up trees and didn't last long. I remember watching Inter in those days on C4 though and from vague memory he wasn't really seen as a success.

You could probably argue he's not really done well in 'big jobs' (sorry Capy) but done quite well in plenty of others.
 
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Looks like Pogatetz will be assistant at Palace.

Feel for Roy. They were never going down with him in charge. Appointing a manager who doesn't have the experience in the league is a gamble, but you think they'd have learned their lesson with de Boer and Vieira.
 
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