Why Are Younger People Against The Triple Lock

So, these young people want to punish themselves by getting one over on the "Boomers"?

Divide and rule.

Again.

It is simplistic to blame "Boomers" for the erosion of rights and benefits. Firstly many have never voted Tory in their lives. Secondly, many young people don't take the time to vote. Thirdly, instead of lashing out at those you see as benefiting from the largesse of the "triple-lock" why not campaign for things like a "Living Wage"?

I would say they would be better advised to know your enemy (and it is not retired people).
 
Pensioners should get a fair pension. That's the only thing that matters. The triple lock should be scrapped because it's a dreadful way to achieve that.

The triple lock serves to give pensioners a better deal than everyone else. The only way that's justifiable is if pensions aren't already at a fair level, in which case they should just increase the damn things right now and don't **** about with some headline grabbing gimmick.
 
I would have thought young people wouldn't give a toss about the pension triple lock, and a lot of them wouldnt even have a clue what it is.

Do agree with means testing pensions. As rightly pointed out there are a load of retired people rolling in it and certainly don't need the state pension. However, a lot do.

And as for the pension increases ...... aren't we one of the worst countries in Europe for state pensions? So increasing them just so a lot of pensioners can get by is definitely fine by me.
Young people are a lot smarter than you give them credit for. Generally much more emotionally adept, by and large dropping cigarettes and alcohol and taking care of themselves better.

My experiences are they care more about the collective issues such as climate change and equality.

Obviously this will be to a greater or lesser degree depending on what part of the country that you're in.
 
Probably because the Daily Mail/Express have headlines along the line of "Restore the triple lock or else" or "The great triple lock betrayal" or other sensationalist stuff.

Similar to what pops up on Social Media "you think you have it hard" accompanied by some picture from WW2.
 
Do people actually know that the current pension is £203 a week. Lots of pensioners are on their own and have no other provision financially and have to apply for extra state help. For a board that is so anti Tory in every way the response to this is quite frankly pathetic.
What happened to supporting your fellow man/woman.
 
Do not agree that it gives pensioners a bigger rise than anyone else . It does give them the highest of the 3 tests, but assuming that the wage rises is the one selected, then it is the average increase not the largest increase.
Do not forget that Gordon Brown gave pensioners 75 pence rise when he had control.
 
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Young people are a lot smarter than you give them credit for. Generally much more emotionally adept, by and large dropping cigarettes and alcohol and taking care of themselves better.

My experiences are they care more about the collective issues such as climate change and equality.

Obviously this will be to a greater or lesser degree depending on what part of the country that you're in.
Can't generalise, but I would reckon the majority wouldn't be able to answer the question "should we remove the triple lock".......due to the fact they haven't been taught this. Not their fault.

Schools should have a compulsory "life" unit which covers this, mortgages, how the basic economy works etc. But keeping as many kids in ignorance as possible.......🙄

But that's another argument....
 
Was talking about his last Christmas to a group of retirees in Goa. According to them they worked very hard and deserved what they had. I pointed out that some of them enjoyed free Higher Education, final salary pensions, a higher state pension than previous generations amongst many other benefits, such as lower taxes and secure employment. I also pointed out some of the disadvantages many young people are currently facing. Not one of them gave a toss and mostly had voted Tory. They simply couldn’t see the problem, as they looked online to see which cruise they should go on in the Summer. I suggested means-testing the SP, so that poorer pensioners could get more and got exactly the reaction I expected.
I've been to goa many times myself, (when I was working) and met these same people, and found not many of them were , shop workers, brickies, bus drivers, most had jobs in management, small business owners that have sold up with plenty of savings,,rig workers with
good company pensions and they probably have worked hard to get where they are.They too have paid into the system and are only getting what they deserve.
This is where some sort of means testing should come in, they don't need the state pension they see it as a bit of pocket money, whereas others rely on it just to survive.
 
Have you got children yourself? There is a gen z attitude to the baby boomers that is very interesting and ruled by influences they read and hear. It is focussed on the fact that baby boomers have had a very easy time with going to uni and college on generous state grants, enjoyed significant house price inflation and it partly stems from there.
Yes, living for the here and now, house, cars, technology, holidays are bigger priority it seems, never thinking they’ll get old.

The thatcher years were a real boom for the boomers, Black Wednesday is always celebrated in my household, 15% mortgage rates were a blessing, my parents loved the 3 day week, power cuts, of the 70’s and the fear of nuclear war. As a kid I had two family holidays before my 21st birthday, 10 nights in Benidorm and a week in Blackpool. I particularly loved the crash of 2008, the timing was perfect for baby boomers and their families followed by a decade of austerity, yep we boomers have always had plain sailing, never had to pick ourselves up dust ourselves down and work hard to stand still.

There are plenty of Baby boomers brought up on council estates that never went to uni on generous state grants who could not afford to buy their own homes that got by on low wages in coastal towns paid for seasonal work too that lived from one week to the next who have never been abroad. You make it sound like most baby boomers have had it great when the truth is lots struggled throughout their life too and there are lots of poor 55-80 yr olds, its just they may not live in areas you or I frequent too often.

Compounding of state pensions is important to everyone, whatever your life chances were. The thing with pensions is that nobody benefits from it till later in life, everyone benefits from the raises of rates from the generations before, even people who have never paid a penny in N.I. In their lives.

I get the fact that if it becomes unaffordable then maybe a double lock of CPI or 2.5% is still acceptable. My point was really about how the complainers always benefit too eventually, providing they live long enough. I also understand that there are currently some bigger priorities and it maybe should be amended. I have no problem with it being lost completely if you have generous private wealth.

The people that really benefit from rising house prices are the kids through inheritance when you die. I understand some people may downsize (moving house isn’t cheap), a few may use equity release but most wont I’d think. It is clearly an emotive subject and those nearest to change will appear to be the most affected but the truth is everyone is.

This thing about the votes is overblown too in my opinion. I doubt that people become tory because of the triple lock, I doubt most posters on here will become tory at 65. I feel we are heading for a cyclical change where the tories are less relevant and will need to change their ways to be relevant in the future (they wont though).
 
Nearly a quarter of people on the state pension recieve further state support in the form of benefits to help them to be able to heat their home and feed themselves. Maybe we should start a campaign to have that cut too.
 
Do people actually know that the current pension is £203 a week. Lots of pensioners are on their own and have no other provision financially and have to apply for extra state help. For a board that is so anti Tory in every way the response to this is quite frankly pathetic.
What happened to supporting your fellow man/woman.
Well this is just the New state pension that is 7 years into operation since Apr 2016. Vast majority of current pensioners will have retired before 2016 on the basic state pension scheme which today gives about £142 a week for top paid up contributions.
 
I will be amazed if the state pension exists in its current guise when I retire, probably another 30 years yet.

UBI will be in before then I think.
 
Nearly a quarter of people on the state pension recieve further state support in the form of benefits to help them to be able to heat their home and feed themselves. Maybe we should start a campaign to have that cut too.
The government run campaigns to encourage applications for pension credit. They know most of the people who would qualify too, just sort it for them. In 2021 over 2 Million pensioners were said to be living in poverty. It is shocking the way the elderly are treated in this country, in large parts of Europe they are celebrated and looked up to. We have become a selfish entitled people and country in the main and it isn’t just since 2016 before someone goes off at a tangent.
 
It's worth pointing out that the demographics are vastly skewed towards the boomer/pensionable age on this site so if this is the only place you see politics discussions then you are missing out on a group of people that are incredibly angry with the way the country has been voting and they place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the generations that have meant we've had Tories in charge for the majority of our lives. I browse other sites like Reddit and where this site is very anti-Tory, that site is far more anti-boomer. I regularly see on here the rhetoric about young people wanting everything now and being lazy and not wanting to work for anything. The older generation seem blind to the fact they have had everything handed to them on a plate. The younger generations have all grown through times where they've done everything they were supposed to and massively exceeded the education standards set by the previous generations and they haven't been rewarded for it with high paying jobs or even the basics like housing. What people used to be afford on single salary trade wages is now unattainable for the majority. Anyone under 35 during their time in work/voting age has only known 2008 financial crash onwards and they are wondering why people have voted to take away all the things that were afforded for the previous generation and frankly, it seems very selfish.
 
It's worth pointing out that the demographics are vastly skewed towards the boomer/pensionable age on this site so if this is the only place you see politics discussions then you are missing out on a group of people that are incredibly angry with the way the country has been voting and they place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the generations that have meant we've had Tories in charge for the majority of our lives. I browse other sites like Reddit and where this site is very anti-Tory, that site is far more anti-boomer. I regularly see on here the rhetoric about young people wanting everything now and being lazy and not wanting to work for anything. The older generation seem blind to the fact they have had everything handed to them on a plate. The younger generations have all grown through times where they've done everything they were supposed to and massively exceeded the education standards set by the previous generations and they haven't been rewarded for it with high paying jobs or even the basics like housing. What people used to be afford on single salary trade wages is now unattainable for the majority. Anyone under 35 during their time in work/voting age has only known 2008 financial crash onwards and they are wondering why people have voted to take away all the things that were afforded for the previous generation and frankly, it seems very selfish.
And it's worth pointing out most of us have had fook all handed to us on a plate.
 
, it seems very selfish.
Till they are older themselves, if benefitting from inheritance, house price boom doesn’t benefit you in the main as I mentioned above, it benefits the kids and the state when you die though. Is it selfish to work hard, save and leave your kids a legacy for those that can and do. Is it selfish to use some equity to help loved ones out where needed, How many Uni students actually end up paying all their loans back? (I’m all for free education btw (not the social life that goes with it at times mind).
 
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