Who the f**** needs Europe. We have all we need here.

I like your hope
Some thoughts
What could we manufacture at low cost to make it worthwhile (market size(? Given Labour charges in China, India et al will remain significantly higher than ours.
We can grow more of what we have - who picks it? Then, of course there are the commodities unsuited to our climate.
 
This thread just proves that Remoaners are just waiting to crawl out of the woodwork again and if you think that we will not have oranges and bananas then you are a nutmeg. Growers will not stop producing their products and will want to sell them.

The good thing about the EU was that it gave us anything at any month in the year, but at a price , and that price was that we supported 27 mainly poorer countries. A heart warming idea, but costly.
 
LaPennaBianca said:
If you don't think food will be more expensive come January you've got rocks in your head.
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That depends if they sell out to the yanks.

I guess post brexit there are tension metrics at play we can have it:
- the same price at the cost of british industry and british food standards
- we can keep our british food industry and current standards but have large increases to the cost of incoming european goods
- can have lower cost limited diversity UK food for the many and a two tier system of quality foods from other countries for the top 10%.

We can't have it all. My guess it the tories will go for the later, try and feed the working classes with low quality, mass produced UK food, while having access to as much brie and spanish tomatoes as the rich want.
 
Lottowyn said:
This thread just proves that Remoaners are just waiting to crawl out of the woodwork again and if you think that we will not have oranges and bananas then you are a nutmeg. Growers will not stop producing their products and will want to sell them.

The good thing about the EU was that it gave us anything at any month in the year, but at a price , and that price was that we supported 27 mainly poorer countries. A heart warming idea, but costly.
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You can't honestly STILL think Brexit is a good idea can you? You do know what trade tariffs are? What these tariffs mean for the food we eat?

Please don't be an ignorant brexitist
 
Lottowyn said:
This thread just proves that Remoaners are just waiting to crawl out of the woodwork again and if you think that we will not have oranges and bananas then you are a nutmeg. Growers will not stop producing their products and will want to sell them.
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No one is saying we won't have bananas or oranges, simply that they will cost a lot more. You can't wish tarriffs away, however hard you try. What a cinnamon!
 
BoroMart said:
No one is saying we won't have bananas or oranges, simply that they will cost a lot more. You can't wish tarriffs away, however hard you try. What a cinnamon!
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To be fair @UKLL1981 Did say we should be self sufficient food wise which, yes, would mean no more oranges or bananas. Meanwhile back in the real world, we'll still have these things. They'll just be more expensive.
 
Lottowyn said:
This thread just proves that Remoaners are just waiting to crawl out of the woodwork again and if you think that we will not have oranges and bananas then you are a nutmeg. Growers will not stop producing their products and will want to sell them.

The good thing about the EU was that it gave us anything at any month in the year, but at a price , and that price was that we supported 27 mainly poorer countries. A heart warming idea, but costly.
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I don’t think you have read all the thread.
The new tariffs which will apply are transparent - it will cost more
 
With all due respect 1finny , I don't think anyone can say that "it will cost more" when we don't know the details of any dealings , and in fact we probably haven't made them yet.
 
Lottowyn said:
With all due respect 1finny , I don't think anyone can say that "it will cost more" when we don't know the details of any dealings , and in fact we probably haven't made them yet.
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Except, from day 1 tarrifs have to apply.
They are already in the public domain and will happen In the event of no deal
 
Chris_Boro said:
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UKLL1981 said:
Personally I hope Brexit and Covid are the kick up the backside we need to become more self sufficient, we should be building, manufacturing and growing more in this country. We should be exporting and not importing. Instead we’ve become the service sector arm of the EU economy and that’s why we will be hit harder economically by Covid. We need a more diversified economy and hopefully our new competitiveness will allow us to do that rather than leaving the manufacturing to Germany and the farming to France because that’s what the EU decided and how it’s always been.
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And you can thank Thatcher and her vampire cronies for that.
 
Bloody hell! I think we've managed outraged remainer Bingo on this thread. They're all here and frankly, it shows why having any sort of discussion with them is fruitless, pun intended. It is fine to be anti-Brexit and still agree that the article the OP posted is trash, because it is. I am confident very few of you have even read it and instead jumped at a chance to ridicule Brexit and the astronomical price rises which are on the way. We've even managed to get some of the usual slogans about blue passports and a mention of Cummings. It's quite impressive how every thread is so easily derailed for some pats on the back from the usual self-congratulators.

How many of you will actually be grown-up enough to admit that the OP, the article and the point it is trying to make is pure clickbait trash? I will happily admit that a lot of pro-Brexit articles are dire (e.g. anything the Daily Express has ever printed) but some of you are evidently too afraid to be honest and criticise something anti-Brexit because you'd far prefer to circlejerk.

Look back at my previous post. I didn't mention things being more expensive, I explained why our current import/export profile is the way it is. We could produce far more of our own food if we wanted to but it's not the best thing to do economically when we can export a load of stuff and import others. If we wanted to be self-sufficient we'd use greenhouses for the things that our climate doesn't allow but we couldn't replicate our current consumption to be self-sufficient, we'd have to change our diet. it'd also cost a lot more than importing but the cost isn't what I was talking about anyway.

The gist of the article is that we need the EU or we'll starve which isn't true. We import from the EU because it is currently the easiest and cheapest. There is nothing in my post about food prices but that's what everyone is talking about. It's about whether we will have enough to not run out of food, which we will. My point about South African Oranges was that there are other markets which we currently don't access, not can't, because EU import tariffs make it cheaper to import from Spain than South Africa.

And if we are talking about food prices then we've had threads of people bemoaning that we might get cheaper food from the USA but in that discussion chlorinated chicken is the story instead of cheaper prices so evidently cheaper prices outside the EU are possible and not everything requires a drop in standards like the US chicken.
 
Muttley said:
Did you know nutmeg is a poison? Two teaspoons would kill an adult male.

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That is not entirely true Mutley, it has a "pinch" of truth in it, but it would generally take more than 2 teaspoons to kill a healthy adult. See what I did there?

On the subject of Brexit, the main danger in brexit is not leaving the EU. but the manner in which we are negotiating any deal, and how it leaves the UK vulnerable to meddling from the USA. Tariffs are not inherently bad, they do change the dynamic of international trade but protect homegrown productivity.

I think a lot of people who voted to leave the EU would have thought a free trade deal with the EU was a good idea, furthermore, with such a small majority to leave, it would have been a policy that would have appeased most sides of the electorate. Johnson and his cabinet have screwed the nation over by willfully or stupidly failing to agree a deal. The trade gravity that the EU exerts on the UK cannot be ignored when making comparisons with other countries geographically separated from the EU. This is probably the main reason that a free trade agreement would have been the way to go. Yes it would have cost the UK to have access to the EU markets tariff free, but would save us more in the long term, and would have got the UK out of the EU political union which was most leavers wanted.

You have to separate leave voters from what Johnson has done with EU negotioations, it is the worst of all possible situations.

I voted to leave the EU, but I never considered that Boris Johnson and his selected cabinet would be responsible for leaving the EU. I never voted tory. so take no responsibility for what Johnson is trying to do.

One final though, whilst the demonization of immigration is abhorrent to me, it is a valid political viewpoint, particularly whilst cuts are being made to the basic services that we all rely on, education, social and healthcare to name a couple.
 
boromike85 said:
Bloody hell! I think we've managed outraged remainer Bingo on this thread. They're all here and frankly, it shows why having any sort of discussion with them is fruitless, pun intended. It is fine to be anti-Brexit and still agree that the article the OP posted is trash, because it is. I am confident very few of you have even read it and instead jumped at a chance to ridicule Brexit and the astronomical price rises which are on the way. We've even managed to get some of the usual slogans about blue passports and a mention of Cummings. It's quite impressive how every thread is so easily derailed for some pats on the back from the usual self-congratulators.

How many of you will actually be grown-up enough to admit that the OP, the article and the point it is trying to make is pure clickbait trash? I will happily admit that a lot of pro-Brexit articles are dire (e.g. anything the Daily Express has ever printed) but some of you are evidently too afraid to be honest and criticise something anti-Brexit because you'd far prefer to circlejerk.

Look back at my previous post. I didn't mention things being more expensive, I explained why our current import/export profile is the way it is. We could produce far more of our own food if we wanted to but it's not the best thing to do economically when we can export a load of stuff and import others. If we wanted to be self-sufficient we'd use greenhouses for the things that our climate doesn't allow but we couldn't replicate our current consumption to be self-sufficient, we'd have to change our diet. it'd also cost a lot more than importing but the cost isn't what I was talking about anyway.

The gist of the article is that we need the EU or we'll starve which isn't true. We import from the EU because it is currently the easiest and cheapest. There is nothing in my post about food prices but that's what everyone is talking about. It's about whether we will have enough to not run out of food, which we will. My point about South African Oranges was that there are other markets which we currently don't access, not can't, because EU import tariffs make it cheaper to import from Spain than South Africa.

And if we are talking about food prices then we've had threads of people bemoaning that we might get cheaper food from the USA but in that discussion chlorinated chicken is the story instead of cheaper prices so evidently cheaper prices outside the EU are possible and not everything requires a drop in standards like the US chicken.
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Mike - it is unequivocal what the tariffs are from day 1. Food prices are going up.
After that we have no idea - we will need to do deals and see how they play out.

As for remainer Bingo - all I’ve done is point out what will happen from day 1 according to the government.
I do appreciate it is a ‘fact’ and may disappoint.
 
26% of the UK's food is bought from the EU currently.
55% of the UK's food is sourced from the UK.
We already buy oranges and tomatoes from Morocco and Egypt, both these countries are increasing production of both commodities.
 
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1finny said:
Mike - it is unequivocal what the tariffs are from day 1. Food prices are going up.
After that we have no idea - we will need to do deals and see how they play out.
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I know, I agree, but that wasn't the point of the article or my criticism of this thread, prices are an afterthought because others brought them up.

It is impossible to have a serious discussion about anything with everyone just cheerleading instead of reading what has been posted. There is plenty to criticise about Brexit but this article is just trashy clickbait with no real point and no substance. It would be nice for people to be grown up about it and defend the stuff that gets posted that is justified and criticised the stuff that isn't, whichever side of the debate you sit.
 
Lottowyn said:
This thread just proves that Remoaners are just waiting to crawl out of the woodwork again and if you think that we will not have oranges and bananas then you are a nutmeg. Growers will not stop producing their products and will want to sell them.

The good thing about the EU was that it gave us anything at any month in the year, but at a price , and that price was that we supported 27 mainly poorer countries. A heart warming idea, but costly.
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So why will things be more expensive post Brexit? That's what Brexiters can't get their heads around. Like how it's cost our economy more than we put in total into the EU over the last 40 years since the Brexit vote was won (and how the rich have got richer and the poor have got poorer). Cos they are as thick as mince.
 
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