Who do you believe PO scandal

So Staunton wasn't telling lies and he's got written proof to prove it.

Badenoch under pressure as ex-Post Office chair produces written memo to support claim that minister dismissed as lie​

Good morning. After the former Post Office chair, Henry Staunton, gave an interview at the weekend making various allegations about the government’s response to the Horizon scandal, including claiming that he was told by a senior official to delay compensation payments, Kemi Badenoch, the businesss secretary, hit back. Whereas politicians in these circumstances normally only contest the parts of the negative story they can confidently refute, Badenoch went nuclear, and more or less dismissed everything Staunton was saying as a complete pack of lies.

Today that is not looking like such a wise strategy. Henry Staunton has now found a copy of the contemporaneous note he made of his conversation with the person he described to the Sunday Times as a senior civil servant and he has shown it to the Times. The official was Sarah Munby, who at the time was permanent secretary at the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, and the memo does a lot to substantiate Staunton’s original claim.


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Taken all together and with the bullying issue Badenoch should be toast and her career over, but we have seen that these people pay no attention to convention and convention is not sufficient to prevent/punish wrong doing. The ballot box is the only place and it looks like that is what is happening finally.
 
sherlock1969 said:
Why?

Staunton is clearly telling the truth, yet rather than criticise the government you choose to make a barbed comment against him.
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Why?

I'll pass comment and criticise whoever I like, not who you deem I should.

Secondly some snide "shy tory" remark - I'll vote for whoever I like whether that be Tory/Labour/Lib Dem/monster Raving Loony etc and I certainly would not be "shy" about it.

Thirdly given part of my job is working in politics I know fine well this meeting with his memo would have been minuted, I find it a bit far fetched the only remains are a note, made to himself.

I prefer to work with details, it's what you do in the real world.

I don't believe he is telling the truth, nor the government, there will be a cross over in which they are both bullsh*tting is more realistic.

Lastly I have been on here a few weeks and reading couple weeks whilst waiting. I note you are someone who likes to round on people given what I have read, your first interaction with me is a snide political remark.... I kindly suggest you you go and try pick a cyber argument somewhere else
 
Norman_Conquest said:
So Staunton wasn't telling lies and he's got written proof to prove it.

Badenoch under pressure as ex-Post Office chair produces written memo to support claim that minister dismissed as lie​

Good morning. After the former Post Office chair, Henry Staunton, gave an interview at the weekend making various allegations about the government’s response to the Horizon scandal, including claiming that he was told by a senior official to delay compensation payments, Kemi Badenoch, the businesss secretary, hit back. Whereas politicians in these circumstances normally only contest the parts of the negative story they can confidently refute, Badenoch went nuclear, and more or less dismissed everything Staunton was saying as a complete pack of lies.

Today that is not looking like such a wise strategy. Henry Staunton has now found a copy of the contemporaneous note he made of his conversation with the person he described to the Sunday Times as a senior civil servant and he has shown it to the Times. The official was Sarah Munby, who at the time was permanent secretary at the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, and the memo does a lot to substantiate Staunton’s original claim.


www.theguardian.com

More than 30 MPs sign motion of no confidence in Commons speaker – as it happened

Labour amendment calling for immediate Gaza ceasefire passes after government and SNP walkout
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Always comes across as cold calculating fish Badenoch, got what she thought out well wrong here.
 
Geoff_B said:
Why?

I'll pass comment and criticise whoever I like, not who you deem I should.

Secondly some snide "shy tory" remark - I'll vote for whoever I like whether that be Tory/Labour/Lib Dem/monster Raving Loony etc and I certainly would not be "shy" about it.

Thirdly given part of my job is working in politics I know fine well this meeting with his memo would have been minuted, I find it a bit far fetched the only remains are a note, made to himself.

I prefer to work with details, it's what you do in the real world.

I don't believe he is telling the truth, nor the government, there will be a cross over in which they are both bullsh*tting is more realistic.

Lastly I have been on here a few weeks and reading couple weeks whilst waiting. I note you are someone who likes to round on people given what I have read, your first interaction with me is a snide political remark.... I kindly suggest you you go and try pick a cyber argument somewhere else
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The only thing you can do, when given verbal instructions outside of a witnessed minuted meeting is to make contemporaneous notes. He did that and we know now that he hasn't made it up long after in retrospect to cover himself, he had sufficient misgivings at the time to do it, email them to himself and send a copy the next day to the Chief Executive.

A police officers contemporaneous notes are considered worthy evidence for a court.

Surely you give them some weight at least?
 
sherlock1969 said:
She’s as thick as mince, I can’t believe people tout her as a potential PM.
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Potential Tory MP. Since when was intelligence a prerequisite for tory leader? Pretty low down the list of priorities for their deluded membership.

Looks like she's mastered the art of lying every time she opens her gob. So very well qualified for the job:

And that is why it is particularly unfortunate for Badenoch that the new revelation coincides with the publication of a story in the Financial Times implying she has not been telling the truth about trade talks with Canada. In their story, George Parker, Lucy Fisher and Peter Campbell report:

Badenoch told MPs “explicitly” on January 29 that talks with Canada were “ongoing” to avoid a March 31 tariff cliff-edge for UK carmakers, even though she had earlier unilaterally paused wider trade talks with the Ottawa government

But the Canadian high commissioner to the UK, Ralph Goodale, has written to the House of Commons business select committee to insist Badenoch’s claimed talks, which also cover cheesemakers, have not happened.
 
Badenoch not on the front bench for PMQ's today and Sunak refused to endorse Badenoch's claim that the ex-Post Office chair was lying about the conversation about compensation payments.

She should be toast, but Sunak is so weak in a party so in hock to the far right, who have her as one of their favourites.
 
Geoff_B said:
Why?

I'll pass comment and criticise whoever I like, not who you deem I should.

Secondly some snide "shy tory" remark - I'll vote for whoever I like whether that be Tory/Labour/Lib Dem/monster Raving Loony etc and I certainly would not be "shy" about it.

Thirdly given part of my job is working in politics I know fine well this meeting with his memo would have been minuted, I find it a bit far fetched the only remains are a note, made to himself.

I prefer to work with details, it's what you do in the real world.

I don't believe he is telling the truth, nor the government, there will be a cross over in which they are both bullsh*tting is more realistic.

Lastly I have been on here a few weeks and reading couple weeks whilst waiting. I note you are someone who likes to round on people given what I have read, your first interaction with me is a snide political remark.... I kindly suggest you you go and try pick a cyber argument somewhere else
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It's far fetched that a seasoned business leader would make contemporaneous notes of a meeting with a senior civil servant?
Further, its far fetched that the senior civil servant and/or government minister would not keep notes of something this explosive.

In my experience - both are plausible.

Maybe they have something on Wattsapp that hasn't gone missing

Not sure where you work in politics but I would advise you revise your reality.
 
Lefty said:
Badenoch not on the front bench for PMQ's today and Sunak refused to endorse Badenoch's claim that the ex-Post Office chair was lying about the conversation about compensation payments.

She should be toast, but Sunak is so weak in a party so in hock to the far right, who have her as one of their favourites.
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I think Starmer's questions at PMQ were designed to set Sunak up for more revelations to come. I suspect we're in the 'have some more rope' stage, before the noose tightens.
 
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