Who actually wants Wilder sacked?

He obviously has the capacity to succeed but the fact that he's now struggling indicates problems elsewhere, so it's the elsewhere that needs changing, not the manager. The fact that he was considering Burnley also indicates issues at the club he's not happy with. Stick with him unless relegation begins to look a real possibility, perhaps with 15 or so games to go. That's 20 or so games to turn it around. Accept that we're not getting near the top 6 this season. As it is.
 
He obviously has the capacity to succeed but the fact that he's now struggling indicates problems elsewhere, so it's the elsewhere that needs changing, not the manager. The fact that he was considering Burnley also indicates issues at the club he's not happy with. Stick with him unless relegation begins to look a real possibility, perhaps with 15 or so games to go. That's 20 or so games to turn it around. Accept that we're not getting near the top 6 this season. As it is.
Is this a fact?
 
Problem with the club adopting a "long term project" approach with Wilder is that such an attitude needs to be reciprocated. How likely is that given he's already proved himself at a higher level than we're at now? Selling "long term project" to a manager is a lot easier to one that sees us as an opportunity to prove themselves than one who views us as a stepping stone to a higher level, whether that's with us or someone else.
 
About time he came out and showed some loyalty to us

How has he not shown loyalty to us?

It's about the 4th time that people have spread rumours that he's about to leave, it's been wrong each time.

He categorically denied the links with Bournemouth in August, what else is he supposed to do?
 
It completely depends on the reason why he was successful elsewhere. He might have been successful because his system was unique and countered the typical styles of the times. If people are familiar with things like online gaming then they would have heard the term "meta" being used regularly. That is basically where a certain setup has advantages over others and whoever discovers it first gets a big boost in ranking beating people they shouldn't until everyone else is also using that setup and then the counter to that setup becomes the best option aka the "new meta". This applies to all games that are competitive and football is no different.

We know Wilder has a unique system but the whole press from the front thing is much less effective now that teams have filled their defences with ball playing centre backs and can play through presses. The overloads from the centre backs are no longer a surprise and can be countered with an effective counter attack.

Was he successful because of his ability to man manage people, manage a game effectively by making the right changes at the right time, alter his system to suit the changes within football etc or did he find a system that worked and stuck with it? If it is the latter then there comes a time when the system stops working because everyone knows it and they know the counters to it. I'd guess that his 1st season in the PL with Sheff Utd showed it working and it got a lot of attention and analysis but then his 2nd season showed what happens when teams know what you are going to do.

My guess would be that he has probably been a bit of both across his career but his abilities as a manager are only good and not great where his system was great but is now too easy to counter and he's out of ideas. His good abilities were enough in the lower leagues but more than good is needed at the higher levels.
We should take the compo and play ‘meta’

1-2-1-2-2-2-1 kaleidoscope press

Steffen
Dijksteel—Bola
Luongo
Jones——Giles
Crooks—McGree
Forss—Muniz
Hoppe
 
My gut feeling - is that Wilder is right for us. Right skills, right experience, right age, right ambition, from a similar area to Teesside.

He's done enough in the past at all his clubs including us for most of his time here, to show he is better than the average.

No one on here knows for certain what he has or has not applied for.

To me you and me back him and we all fight together and take this Club up "the f****** league"
 
It’s probably indicative of how bad things are at the moment that i’m genuinely not arsed either way.
 
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