atypical_boro
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As a moderate Left-thinking centrist, with one or two fairly dogmatic views about the monarchy and Trident, what will he offer me that Corbyn (who I once supported but didn't vote for in December) didn't?
I don't follow Wilf.'As a moderate Left-thinking centrist' its amazing that you don't already know.
Hmm ok. So politically do you think he'll offer more of the same?I think it might just be a lot harder for the Tories to sling mud at him, like they did with Corbyn. JC was a very easy target, that didn't seem to want to help himself or the party stop being a target.
Rebecca Long Bailey is a Corbyn fanatic, so any hint the public get of her being similar or liking Corbyn, will never ever work, for anyone other than JC fans, and there's not enough of them to win seats/ elections.
So, basically Starmer will possibly have a chance of winning against the Tories, when it doesn't appear that any of the others would.
Hmm ok. So politically do you think he'll offer more of the same?
Do you think Starmer will go down the road of nationalising Royal Mail and free broadband? Things nobody really seemed to be asking for?Corbyn isn't as left as the Tories/ press make out, but Starmer appears even less left. So there wouldn't be massive changes policy/ manifesto wise/ I expect, but he will be a hell of a lot more electable. Obviously brexit is out of the way now, so should be easy for Labour to win votes back, and everyone likes being on the winning side, it creates momentum.
Enough people actually liked most of Corbyn/ Labours policies for them to actually win, the problem wasn't the party, it was the man. There's no way in hell they could ever win with Corbyn in charge, even if he was giving out free iPhones. When the labour voters don't like the leader with a mass majority, then how on earth do they expect to get Tory voters over, never mind the Ukip lot.
As a moderate Left-thinking centrist, with one or two fairly dogmatic views about the monarchy and Trident, what will he offer me that Corbyn (who I once supported but didn't vote for in December) didn't?
Do you think Starmer will go down the road of nationalising Royal Mail and free broadband? Things nobody really seemed to be asking for?
I was always a big fan of Jeremy Corbyn and remain so, and for all that it ultimately failed to bring Labour to power I do feel the focus of the debate has shifted. A lot of the electorate now have a view on things like homelessness and inequality and those discussions will remain relevant in years to come.
As a Labour Party member I will be voting for Keir Starmer in the upcoming leadership election and the primary reason is that he is the most electable and in my opinion is the one the Tories will fear the most.
RLB? Very principled and pretty much a continuation of the movement of the party to its traditional roots but she will always be tarred with being Jeremy Corbyn mk2. She will be slaughtered by the media and as much as I like her and am largely aligned with her politically, I just don't see her in a position where she'll take power back from the Tories.
Emily Thornberry has no chance of leading the party and while I like Lisa Nandy I just don't feel she's the right person for the job though I think her and RLB will absolutely have a big role on the Labour frontbench.
I also don't think that Keir Starmer is a centrist, he is just more centrist than where Labour are currently. I think he will still appeal to a lot of the post-Brexit Labour supporters who voted elsewhere in 2019, while I can also see him appealing to the middle classes who voted Tory while pinching their noses in the last election.
If Starmer does get the job I think he'd be crazy to lurch the party away from its left-leaning stance - people didn't vote for Labour for a variety of reasons but generally the policies were popular. Maybe there were just too many of them and they should have focused on 3 or 4 of the big promises instead of having quite a few others and appearing like they just wanted to give something to everyone.
Starmer is 1/12 now. It’s a lock.Male/Remainer/London
But it looks immaterial anyway as RLB will get in with Starmer and Nandy splitting the center ground vote.
Being a rabid remainer puts him on the right wing of the party, hardly the left.I agree entirely with this analysis, including where I stand personally on the politics. I’ll also be voting for Starmer in the final ballot, mainly because he is the candidate who looks and sounds most like a potential Prime Minister, which is what the party needs.
I also agree that Starmer is far from being a centrist/Blairite. Certainly nothing in his past would suggest so. I think he will provide the right blend between sensible pragmatist and leader of a party promising a genuine alternative.
Being a rabid remainer puts him on the right wing of the party, hardly the left.