What is the point of VAR?

BobendBert

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Clear two footed lunge - no red

Player kicks out at another whilst on the ground - no red.

Seriously, what on Earth is the point of it? A disastrous introduction to the game that adds nothing, takes away the essence of the game and doesn’t even get the decisions right.

A big steaming pile of turd.
 
VAR can only be as good as the idiots looking at it
That’s fundamentally the problem. The two reds yesterday were ridiculous and the same today. It’s got some of the stuff right like the pen and the red but it took them about half an hour to get that right. It’s just diabolical. Sucks the life out of the game.
 
He should be called VAR

Proper name should be referees @ St Georges Park viewing videos (RVV).

VAR makes it sound as though is a computer objectively viewing and deciding, when it just another set of humans assessing a decision/incident.
 
He should be called VAR

Proper name should be referees @ St Georges Park viewing videos (RVV).

VAR makes it sound as though is a computer objectively viewing and deciding, when it just another set of fukcwits assessing a decision/incident.
Corrected for you red 👍
 
It’s a disaster and that’s because so many decisions are baffling and just plain wrong and to make it worse it is taking so long to make a decision the game has become too slow and cumbersome.

Unmitigated disaster is what it is.
 
The first problem for me was they introduced VAR and then changed the rules thinking VAR would allow them manage them - offisde being the example, we went from daylight to now drawing lines to see if he is onside by a fingernail.

The time delays are only going to get worse the more a decision is questioned or indeed a mistake is made. They are forensically checking to get it right but its only going to cause more delays.

I wish Refs would make decisions and only use VAR when they are genuinely unsure it feels like every decision is waiting for VAR to rule one way or the other.

Last night, i thought the two footed was a yellow - their is a difference between reckless and dangerous in the rules and that was reckless but thankfully no contact was made. The Kick out could have gone either way but for the pettiness it probably should have been a red. After that i thought VAR got everything right last night, it was that type of game with lots of incidents and some players lost their heads.
 
Clear two footed lunge - no red

Player kicks out at another whilst on the ground - no red.

Seriously, what on Earth is the point of it? A disastrous introduction to the game that adds nothing, takes away the essence of the game and doesn’t even get the decisions right.

A big steaming pile of turd.
I've not really seen much of the footy this week so I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to. But off the top of my head I did see someone dive in two footed, not sure if it was the same incident, but they did it well early, and by the time they got to the player both of his feet were low, and there was no contact. It looked dangerous, but not bad enough to change a decision to a red.

The point is for it to make the decisions more accurate, which it certainly does, but people seem to have a problem with it not being perfect, which is a bit weird I think. It's not perfect as it's been made/ coded by humans, and you've also got refs who aren't even footballers making the main decisions and the var decisions.

VAR probably thought they would get 95% right, where it's probably more like 90%, and for some reason the public thought it was going to be 100%. Not sure why the public ever thought the latter, and not sure why they also don't think that 90% is not better than 50%.

Refs have got worse (as they've lost what little bottle they have) as they try and rely on VAR, and then VAR lot can't make their mind up (as they have no bottle either), so they put it back on the ref to come over and look at a tiny screen in the blazing sun/ light, it's just bad implementation.

The marketing of VAR is terrible too, they says it's to just stop howlers, which I get, and if that's the case then don't look at 20 angles, just go "debatable" and move on, stick with original decision. Same with offsides, the second any lines need to be drawn, is the second the review should be over and just stick with the original decision (hopefully favouring attackers). If you need lines, it's not clear cut, one way or the other, and it could even still be wrong then, so just stick with the original decision.

Every year the refs and VAR's decisions do get made a bit harder, as in they're put under more scrutiny, as there's better and better quality images/ video, more angles to show how a decision could have been wrong, more back on forth on social media and forums like this etc. It's not like the old days with one angle, a crap picture and barely anyone even seeing it to talk about it etc. All you had before is fans of 100 clubs whinging about how they were robbed by refs or linos, with no validation, and now all it is is people whinging about how var got 1 decision maybe wrong out of 10, yet ignoring the other 9 it got right, which is 3/4 more than only an on field ref would get right.
 
I've not really seen much of the footy this week so I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to. But off the top of my head I did see someone dive in two footed, not sure if it was the same incident, but they did it well early, and by the time they got to the player both of his feet were low, and there was no contact. It looked dangerous, but not bad enough to change a decision to a red.
The discussion is based on the incidents in the Spurs/Chelsea game last night. The two footed challenge was off the deck and therefore uncontrolled - should have been red. Making contact isn't necessary.

The point is for it to make the decisions more accurate, which it certainly does, but people seem to have a problem with it not being perfect, which is a bit weird I think. It's not perfect as it's been made/ coded by humans, and you've also got refs who aren't even footballers making the main decisions and the var decisions.
If you're going to stop the game for the best part of 15 minutes (as per last night) then I want the correct decision. Not "clear and obvious" which is just doubling the subjectivity. Fans, for the large part, know how the laws are regularly interpreted. The controversy comes when two similar incidents are treated differently. We're seeing a form of 'umpires-call' but we haven't been told that that's how it works.

Same with offsides, the second any lines need to be drawn, is the second the review should be over and just stick with the original decision (hopefully favouring attackers). If you need lines, it's not clear cut, one way or the other, and it could even still be wrong then, so just stick with the original decision.
Offside is black or white. Once they start to look at it they are obliged to find the correct decision. They'd need to change the laws of the game to make this any different. Which they should do, in my opinion.

people whinging about how var got 1 decision maybe wrong out of 10, yet ignoring the other 9 it got right, which is 3/4 more than only an on field ref would get right.
People are whinging about the amount of time it takes for VAR to effectively uphold what was decided on the pitch. Especially when it's clear that the on-field decision was wrong.
 
You won’t see a clearer red card than the two footer. I can’t believe anyone is arguing otherwise. It is the definition of a “tackle that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force”. Contact is irrelevant to the law. He’s out of control, both feet off the ground, studs showing and with force.
 
The Spurs manager got it right for me, we have VAR because we are chasing some utopia of all decisions being correct, which just isn't possible with subjective decisions. I only watched the first half last night and for me that two footed lunge was a red, similarly grinds my gears that Son after finishing a great move is judged offside by a toe nail - actually not sure whether the lino flagged for that - but surely we can live with the assistant referees decision on tight calls like that. It adds zero to the game for those actually in the ground.
 
The first problem for me was they introduced VAR and then changed the rules thinking VAR would allow them manage them - offisde being the example, we went from daylight to now drawing lines to see if he is onside by a fingernail.


Daylight has never been a thing.
They've not changed any rules or laws around what is and isn't offside.

The only way they've changed the laws around offside since VAR was introduced in 2016 is to add a bit of context around whether clearly offside players being put back onside by an opposition touch.

The difference now is that the decision isn't being made in a split second, there will have been plenty of moves given offside for a toenail before VAR, and it still happens in the Championship, it was just quicker and there was no chance of changing the decision.
 
The Spurs manager got it right for me, we have VAR because we are chasing some utopia of all decisions being correct, which just isn't possible with subjective decisions. I only watched the first half last night and for me that two footed lunge was a red, similarly grinds my gears that Son after finishing a great move is judged offside by a toe nail - actually not sure whether the lino flagged for that - but surely we can live with the assistant referees decision on tight calls like that. It adds zero to the game for those actually in the ground.
It sound big headed but I said this before it was even introduced - key decisions are often based on subjectivity, say opposed to Hawkeye which purely uses technology. VAR has almost destroyed instant celebration of some of the fluidity of football which is such as positive element of sport, opoosed to say constant stop start of rugby. Some fans said it would be great once it was beded in. If anything its getting worse as its now bedded in.
 
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