BlindBoyGrunt
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What's he done?
What is the point of Keir Starmer? After a year, we still don't know.
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But he never has, has he? I've never seen it. Most people don't seem to realise Alan Johnson was put in charge of the Labour remain campaign.
F*ck all. Chased away the spooky old man who terrified everyone with his evil talk of having a couple of bank holidays and cheaper internet bills.
Here's another 'stupid question'. Do you think there's possibly, maybe, perhaps, a slight chance that Starmer's alienated some voters?
HolgateCorner
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And how united were the Tories around that time (or now even)? How many did Bunter stab in the back to get his grubby hands on power? Yet nobody masquerading as a Labour voter on here ever posts a list of Tory rebels do they?
And nor should they either, it’s just political campaigning and should have no place on this forum.
Debate the issues yes, but all this deep ‘messaging’ no - personally I would ban it.
On that subject, I wouldn’t ban Superstu outright for being Patel in disguise but I would slap his legs
On that subject, I wouldn’t ban Superstu outright for being Patel in disguise but I would slap his legs
In your dreams, ya daft yoghurt.
HolgateCorner
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Lefty
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Some, on the far Left, annoyed at the unfair treatment the world gave Corbyn.
They are a small number, who would rather see the Tories in power for some reason if it is not their brand of 'Left'. Starmer has a chance of bringing over far more in the centre ground, put off by Corbyn and Milne's agenda.
HolgateCorner
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Putting our previous spat to one side Superstu, why are you so bothered when you are not a Labour supporter?
Its clear Corbyn was too left wing to gain enough popular support even if many of his policies have now been adopted by Bunter.
You need to appeal to the sensible silent majority don’t you?
I'm still a socialist. If the left regained control of the party, I'd be back. If they hadn't been deliberately sabotaged and now marginalised I wouldn't have left.
HolgateCorner
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Ok understand but at some point you have to try to get in power because otherwise you end up with the likes of Bunter, Rees Mogg and Sunak giving our hard earned tax money to their crooked mates.
BlindBoyGrunt
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In Corbyn's day those who would rather have seen The Tories in power for some reason were Labour MP's and they worked to achieve that result.
Laughing
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Anyone who purports to dislike the tory ideology will, at the next election, hold your nose, and vote for a party that has a chance of wining that parrticular seat, If that's Labour then vote Labour.
People who won't vote labour because the party are to far to the right now are lying about their motives, their intentions or their allegiance. It really is as simple as that.
People who won't vote labour because the party are to far to the right now are lying about their motives, their intentions or their allegiance. It really is as simple as that.
As I said earlier, 2017 is the first time since 1997 Labour have gained seats. There's very little to suggest you have to be lacking in policies to win elections in the UK, especially in the last few years, especially when trying to force a change in the governing party. Thatcher, Blair, Cameron, Boris none of these won elections promising to be cautious centrists. They all got in promising big changes, whether or not they followed through on their promises.
There's another dimension to this for Labour. In that they need their fee paying membership to even effectively contest elections. Expulsions and attrition will not be good for the party long term. If Corbyn hadn't become leader the party simply couldn't have afforded another election as soon as 2017 after Milibands in 2015.
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BlindBoyGrunt
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We all know that however divided the Tories are they all pull together at election time but you seem to have forgotten that this thread is about Starmer.And how united were the Tories around that time (or now even)? How many did Bunter stab in the back to get his grubby hands on power? Yet nobody masquerading as a Labour voter on here ever posts a list of Tory rebels do they?
And nor should they either, it’s just political campaigning and should have no place on this forum.
Debate the issues yes, but all this deep ‘messaging’ no - personally I would ban it.
On that subject, I wouldn’t ban Superstu outright for being Patel in disguise but I would slap his legs
Sorry Laughing I think things have changed. I bought in to the "hold your nose and vote Labour" stuff before the Corbyn years, and accepted the idea that incrementalism was the only possible way. But now we've seen the first isn't reciprocated and the second is flat wrong. Labour's centrists have shown that sabotage and witholding your vote is how you get the Labour party to pay attention to you.
And in the same era UKIP have gotten everything they wanted without needing more than 2 MPs. The SNP look like they'll inevitably get what they want. I really don't think there's any future in "hold your nose"/"they've got nowhere else to go" style campaigning for Labour.
Laughing
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OK, I take your point, but how many years of tory rule would we have to put up with and what state will our democracy be in at that point.
Personally, Starmer seems a bit cold and uncaring. His policies are a bit to the right for me, but he is a country mile better than the tories, so, dependent on the manifesto, I will be voting Labour.
HolgateCorner
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I think Corbyn was undermined by some parts of the Labour Party but I’m not a member or activist or anything like that so I’m not in touch with the detail. I think you are implying Starmer was part of that? But that’s the dirty world of politics isn’t it?
I thought Labour looked ok at election time but I think the policy on Brexit was wrong otherwise Bunter wouldn’t have got his majority. I also think Corbyn was too old going into the 2019 election, he should have handed over the baton after 2017 to build on his success in pegging back Theresa May.
All in hindsight of course.
Ebor
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To go back to the original point. What is the point Keir Starmer and there isn't a good one
After all this Covid sht is done, which isn't far way, that will be one of many questions for Labour when this horrendous Tory Govt easily get in again. Go VACCINES!
10 years of lacklustre, stagnant Labour.
After all this Covid sht is done, which isn't far way, that will be one of many questions for Labour when this horrendous Tory Govt easily get in again. Go VACCINES!
10 years of lacklustre, stagnant Labour.