What is the point of Keir Starmer? After a year, we still don't know.

NYboro said:
Johnson IS a bumbling, lying fool. Unfortunately far too many people seem not to care.
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That’s just the point isn’t it. Bumbling - yes. Lying - undoubtedly. But foolish, never in this world. He’ll never buy another meal for as long as he lives. Too many people haven’t the interest mate, that’s the problem.
 
Starmer is an absolute snake and he's in the wrong party. Doesn't have a left wing bone in his body. Not sure that he even has any bones in his body because he just comes across as a jellyfish in a suit with a Lego man's hair glued to the top of him. I'd never vote for him.
 
bumface said:
Starmer is an absolute snake and he's in the wrong party. Doesn't have a left wing bone in his body. Not sure that he even has any bones in his body because he just comes across as a jellyfish in a suit with a Lego man's hair glued to the top of him. I'd never vote for him.
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FFS bumface- don't sit on the fence - say what you really, really mean
 
HolgateCorner said:
Don’t forget Sunak has spent hundreds of billions shielding the elderly and vulnerable and had 11 million sitting paid at home on furlough, the Tories have done a lot of socialism in the last year or so.
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imagine if Starmer actually pointed that out!

i'd like to see a a forensic approach to the opportunistic cash grabbing which has been done at the detriment of lead times for much needed PPE

also the spurious companies that keep popping up with conveniently placed conservative connections receiving public monies for questionable goods/services many times in excess of market value.
 
I may not have made my feelings explicitly clear here. I'm not really a fan of the bloke. I've said it before but I'll say it again. The only good thing about Keir Starmer is that he isn't Jess Phillips. Things could always be worse.
 
newyddion said:
imagine if Starmer actually pointed that out!

i'd like to see a a forensic approach to the opportunistic cash grabbing which has been done at the detriment of lead times for much needed PPE

also the spurious companies that keep popping up with conveniently placed conservative connections receiving public monies for questionable goods/services many times in excess of market value.
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Yes I do agree, at some point he will have to go on the attack, but I think the Tories will be attacking Johnson internally just now and that will become apparent soon, with all this massive spending Johnson has destroyed everything the Tories have ever thrown at Labour for mismanaging the economy.
 
Trug said:
What do you mean SuperStu- "dared vote against"?
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Not sure if this is rhetorical Trug.

In 2015 shortly after Cameron won the election he brought a bill reducing peoples benefits. Harriet Harman was interim Labour leader while they ran the internal election and whipped Labour MPs to abstain. Only a small number of Labour MPs had the cojones to defy the party whip and vote against the legislation. Most did as they were told and abstained.
 
SuperStu said:
Not sure if this is rhetorical Trug.

In 2015 shortly after Cameron won the election he brought a bill reducing peoples benefits. Harriet Harman was interim Labour leader while they ran the internal election and whipped Labour MPs to abstain. Only a small number of Labour MPs had the cojones to defy the party whip and vote against the legislation. Most did as they were told and abstained.
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Corbyn’s decision to vote against the Welfare Bill was pivotal in him winning the Labour leadership election, he was the only contender who didn’t abstain and it certainly cemented his position as offering active opposition to Cameron rather than the passive acquiesce of the soft left faction.
 
bumface said:
Starmer is an absolute snake and he's in the wrong party. Doesn't have a left wing bone in his body. Not sure that he even has any bones in his body because he just comes across as a jellyfish in a suit with a Lego man's hair glued to the top of him. I'd never vote for him.
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Not even a political "jellyfish": an accomplice in continuing the policy of Capitalist.Austerity.
No alternative to 11 years of slash and burn of welfare and public services.
 
I think to win a general election, Labour needs to take on the SNP in Scotland. Without any Scottish seats it will be a real struggle to win a general election.
 
Starmer took over a completely ruined and what was turned into a looney fringe political party.
Corbyns devisive legacy will take years to try and turn around.

Corbyn and the looney left brigade were the best thing that happened to the tories for decades...... how else did the buffoon end up at the head of our Country?
 
Abel Tasman said:
The bumbling is an act. He’s more sinister than that. He’s a coward, a charlatan, a devious liar, and lacking in any public integrity whatsoever. And FFS the majority of English voters would still put their faith in him. Just mind blowing.
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Sadly he was seen as a lesser of two evils. A legacy of the looney Left. Thank Corbyn for Boris.
 
Rightly or wrongly the majority in this country have no real appetite for left wing governance and I can’t see that changing in the near future, that means left leaning parties have two real options, one is to stick with the principles of their beliefs and continue to be a protest movement with influence but no power or adapt their principles to accommodate the electorate to gain power and make policy that although is a shadow of their principles allows them to at least remove the worst excesses of an ultra capitalist society.

Neither are perfect nor ideal but until those on the left accept one or the other, it becomes a free hit to the Conservatives.
 
American_Mary said:
Rightly or wrongly the majority in this country have no real appetite for left wing governance and I can’t see that changing in the near future, that means left leaning parties have two real options, one is to stick with the principles of their beliefs and continue to be a protest movement with influence but no power or adapt their principles to accommodate the electorate to gain power and make policy that although is a shadow of their principles allows them to at least remove the worst excesses of an ultra capitalist society.

Neither are perfect nor ideal but until those on the left accept one or the other, it becomes a free hit to the Conservatives.
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The have a leaning for right wing authoritarianism :mad::(
 
SuperStu said:
Not sure if this is rhetorical Trug.

In 2015 shortly after Cameron won the election he brought a bill reducing peoples benefits. Harriet Harman was interim Labour leader while they ran the internal election and whipped Labour MPs to abstain. Only a small number of Labour MPs had the cojones to defy the party whip and vote against the legislation. Most did as they were told and abstained.
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Ah. I remember that now.
 
zzzzz said:
A legacy of the looney Left.
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TBH I don't see that. Corbyn performed adequately against Cameron, weakly in the ref' & did well against May.
However he did p*ss poor against the endless ad hominem attacks of his own party & the RW media and then lead (imo unnecessarily) a disunited party on a disjointed election campaign into effectively a single issue general election.
I'm not sure that any of the Labour front bench in 2019 would've performed better.
Certainly not with a policy of "we'll negotiate a better deal & then put it to a ref and campaign against the better deal that we've just negotiated" v "Get Brexit Done".
 
As soon as Starmer criticises the government at the moment he is accused of politicising the pandemic.

For the time being all he can do is point out Johnson’s lies and failures, whilst treading water.

Starmer need to play things very carefully at the moment.
 
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