What is the point of Keir Starmer? After a year, we still don't know.

[NYboro]

There is along way to go to the next election. Last weeks PMQ's were a massive victory for Starmer and he made Johnson look like a bumbling, lying fool.

Johnson IS a bumbling, lying fool. Unfortunately far too many people seem not to care.

 

[Laughing]

Johnson IS a bumbling, lying fool. Unfortunately far too many people seem not to care.

They will when they can't feed their kids though NY, when there are riots every weekend and when a combined brexit covid bill drops through the door.

What angers me is that this criminal cabinet will walk away with millions in the bank and not a criminal prosecution in sight.

By the next election the tories will be done.

 

[newusername]

Opposing the government is not exclusively tied to voting against all government legislation, scrutiny of it is.

The European Union (Future Relationship) Bill was passed in 5 hours & got 162 votes in favour by Labour. How much scrutiny did that bill get?

As Jacob Rees-Mogg has said, MPs should be careful of passing legislation without due consideration '...for they may find they are at the wrong end of it in the future’.

 

[Chris_Boro]

Just my opinion really as a young Labour voter myself, for what it's worth.

Looking into it though:

According to the same poll, Starmer has better ratings than any opposition leader since Tony Blair. But it’s the underlying data that should prove more alarming: among the under-35s, just 26% are satisfied with Starmer, compared with 38% who are dissatisfied. Corbynism attracted more younger voters to Labour than at any point in electoral history: but they have less loyalty to any political party than any previous generation.

By ignoring young voters, Labour is creating an opening for the Greens

Young people want a strong state to bring about social equality and a green economy, but Keir Starmer isn’t offering this, says Guardian columnist Owen Jones

www.theguardian.com

Fair enough, Corbyn did appeal to the young vote and I don't see Starmer doing the same but equally I'm unsure as how that survey would reflect actual votes.

 

[Nosmo-King]

The depressing thing is despite a government showing ineptitude, dreadful decision- making, Labour still trail. Until the perception of Labour alters- and by quite a margin- the electorate still favours lying incompetence showing a complete disregard for the opposition.
My solution? Yvette Cooper and Lisa Nandy, moderate and slightly left. They might be able to drag Labour up.

 

[Chris_Boro]

The European Union (Future Relationship) Bill was passed in 5 hours & got 162 votes in favour by Labour. How much scrutiny did that bill get?

As Jacob Rees-Mogg has said, MPs should be careful of passing legislation without due consideration '...for they may find they are at the wrong end of it in the future’.

You mean the bill that was brought to the house at last available opportunity which if not passed would have meant a catastrophic no deal?

That bill was the epitome of a lack of scrutiny.

 

[SuperStu]

My solution? Yvette Cooper and Lisa Nandy,

yikes. Just goes to show what a severe lack of talent there is in the PLP.

 

[Nosmo-King]

Agreed that is a problem

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

yikes. Just goes to show what a severe lack of talent there is in the PLP.

Slightly left?

 

[r00fie1]

You can make a case for Labour voting for, against or abstaining for every legislation during this crisis, the fact is everyone will have a different opinion and Labour would be criticised either way.

The test of Keir Starmer and Labour's strategy will be at the polling booth at the next General Election. Only then can it be judged as right or wrong.

The Labour Party is more than winning elections every 4 years.
Ask the unemployed / homeless / NHS workers / underpaid soldiers / 3 million kids in poverty...etc....etc....etc.

 

[r00fie1]

So as their majority is currently 80 that's an improvement from Comrade Corbyn is it not?

No.

 

[uncle_rico]

W
If Labour do well in the byelection, it won't be attributed Starmer, but the reputation of Paul Williams as a good hard working MP.

And a misogynist?

 

[Johnny Vincents Motorbike]

his keeping his political powder dry - no point giving the present set of incompetents any excuse for a diversion, no point at this stage in taking the daily bad news front pages off the Borisopotamus.

and do you know what? - the silence is making the tories squirm - they will have to do their own knifing in the back and the guttering of the Borisopotamus themselves.

patience is a virtue in politics.

Our Day Will Come.

 

[HolgateCorner]

Current polling shows the Tories would win an Election tomorrow with a 20 seat majority and that's after a vaccine bounce which looks to be falling. Just before the vaccine program launched the Tories were short of an overall majority.

Keir Starmer's first year as Labour leader has been during an unprecedented crisis in which simply opposing the government at every opportunity is not viable, especially given Labour have not had access to any of the latest scientific advice when voting on legislation.

On top of this the Tories have been aided and abetted by a very friendly media and client journalists the likes I've never seen before. Everything Labour do is bad, anything the Tories do that's bad, Labour would have done worse, anything else is ignored.

The acid test for Labour is holding the government to account over its failures leading up to the next election, which is when we will see what Keir Starmer's vision for government will be about.

Don’t forget Sunak has spent hundreds of billions shielding the elderly and vulnerable and had 11 million sitting paid at home on furlough, the Tories have done a lot of socialism in the last year or so.

 

[Trug]

Don’t forget Sunak has spent hundreds of billions shielding the elderly and vulnerable and had 11 million sitting paid at home on furlough, the Tories have done a lot of socialism in the last year or so.

And nationalised the railways in all but name. And about to throw money at bus companies to improve their services.

 

[SuperStu]

Slightly left?

I don't see either of them as being at all left wing. Coopers one of the Labour MPs that hung their hat on abstaining on the benefits bill back in 2015 and refusing to work with Corbyn before he even started.

Nandys the dimwit who went on telly saying she wanted the police to rough up Scottish nationalists.

 

[Trug]

I don't see either of them as being at all left wing. Coopers one of the Labour MPs that hung their hat on abstaining on the benefits bill back in 2015 and refusing to work with Corbyn before he even started.

Nandys the dimwit who went on telly saying she wanted the police to rough up Scottish nationalists.

I always thought Yvette Cooper was a good MP and comes across very well in the house, but I didn't know that she abstained on the benefits bill. If she did she should be thrown out of the party. FFS, we have almost the lowest benefits in the world, barely enough to keep body and soul together and she did that.!!!!!!!!!

 

[SuperStu]

I always thought Yvette Cooper was a good MP and comes across very well in the house, but I didn't know that she abstained on the benefits bill. If she did she should be thrown out of the party. FFS, we have almost the lowest benefits in the world, barely enough to keep body and soul together and she did that.!!!!!!!!!

Tbf there were very few that dared vote against. She may still be a good MP. But to me that's not a "leader".

 

[Trug]

Tbf there were very few that dared vote against. She may still be a good MP. But to me that's not a "leader".

What do you mean SuperStu- "dared vote against"?

 

[Abel Tasman]

Johnson IS a bumbling, lying fool. Unfortunately far too many people seem not to care.

The bumbling is an act. He’s more sinister than that. He’s a coward, a charlatan, a devious liar, and lacking in any public integrity whatsoever. And FFS the majority of English voters would still put their faith in him. Just mind blowing.