What’s the consensus on Gibson then?

[indeedido]

Not worthy of what, every supporter I expect wants their club to win and be the best, it's just not possible. People talk about our average being 19th and that's where we should be or we are under achieving. Well if we finish 19th every season in reality we would be back in the championship every season, which is where we are now. An average is just that, and will move one way or the other at various times.

I believe SG will never liquidate us and will one day if he has to walk away leaving the club in no debt, he might not of course but that's my view and could of course be wrong. If he does walk away and leave us in no debt, the fact is he will have achieved so much under his tenure and the only person who loses out is him.

If you work on the basis that he will call his loans in, then fair enough, you will be proved right and he has been a disaster.I don't know anything about SG other than what i hear here and elsewhere and he might be a Tory and a nasty piece of work and difficult to work with, but I believe he has put his money where it needed to be and is more of an honourable man and boro fan then you give him credit for. Time will tell, which side of history SG will end up on, but I know where my money lies.

My point is that despite the money he has invested, his last 15+ years have been terrible, he has failed.
That he has the club in the position where it is either him or liquidation is disastrous.

I honestly don’t care about his politics or his private life.
I don’t care how much he has spent on houses or pubs for houses; that’s up to him.
I hope Bulkhaul continues to thrive for its workforce not just him.
I hope a new owner would give him some of his money back.

I just wish he no longer controlled the club.

 

[Soutra]

But could things be run better - the commercial side, maximising revenue, realistic ticket prices.

But could Gibson stop running the club like a little dictator, seemingly out of touch with the fans and Teesside public?

It's always the same things though. Reduce ticket prices. Reduce shirt prices. Increase sponsorship....

While at the same time -

Sign better players. Improve shirt quality. Increase revenue.

There's no commercial reality on here at all. Everyone wants good players, great merchandise, a say in what's going on -

BUT - nobody is prepared to pay for it. It's all well and good when someone else is paying the bills and things are going well, but when the cold wind of reality blows then it's Steve Gibson's fault because he appointed the wrong managers, signed the wrong players, ran the club wrongly.

If someone new comes in to finance and run the club, then it'll be like Brexit - nobody told us that things would get worse.

 

[Muttley]

Whatever - they're both accurate

How can either statement be "accurate" you just made it up.

 

[h_m_boro]

It's always the same things though. Reduce ticket prices. Reduce shirt prices. Increase sponsorship....

While at the same time -

Sign better players. Improve shirt quality. Increase revenue.

There's no commercial reality on here at all. Everyone wants good players, great merchandise, a say in what's going on -

BUT - nobody is prepared to pay for it. It's all well and good when someone else is paying the bills and things are going well, but when the cold wind of reality blows then it's Steve Gibson's fault because he appointed the wrong managers, signed the wrong players, ran the club wrongly.

If someone new comes in to finance and run the club, then it'll be like Brexit - nobody told us that things would get worse.

No, the question is are we doing enough. Could we be doing things better. Are we maximising our potential?

We might be, this could be our ceiling......or rather 2006 was. I don't know.

Personally, due to the way football finances are at present, I'm cool with where we are. Not paying massive OTT transfer fees and salaries, adopting a sustainable (hopefully!) approach.

So I'm not calling on Gibson to sell up to a shady billionaire. But at the same time do people not think things are becoming stale, fans taken for granted, p*ss poor communication with the club. It's like Gibson has detached himself from the club and is happy to do as he pleases.

Nothing wrong with questioning how the club is run and asking short - medium term where are we going, what are our aims/goals?

 

[Nano]

Sorry that is just nonsense, I actually laughed at that. You can come and clean the snot off my monitor.

How is it nonsense? He has made dreadful decisions for getting on 15 years. We got back into the PL and he squandered it in January and then the worst decision I've ever seen by giving Steve Agnew the job of keeping us up. We then had the worst transfer window of all time by appointing Monk and then we all know what the signings we made were.

I'm not suggesting we should have been in the PL for the last 15 years but 1 in 15 is nothing but **** poor and I'm not expecting us to win trophies but being in a position at the start of the season where us going far in competitions is realistic shouldn't be out of the question.

 

[Soutra]

How is it nonsense? He has made dreadful decisions for getting on 15 years.

Managers and players who didn't turn out as expected. Hardly dreadful decisions.

Hardly anyone on here said Monk or Pulis or Warnock wasn't the right man for the job at the time. It's just the retrospectoscope that allows everyone to say Steve Gibson gets the decisions wrong. They all seemed good - or reasonable at the time.

 

[Philly-Red]

Managers and players who didn't turn out as expected. Hardly dreadful decisions.

Hardly anyone on here said Monk or Pulis or Warnock wasn't the right man for the job at the time. It's just the retrospectoscope that allows everyone to say Steve Gibson gets the decisions wrong. They all seemed good - or reasonable at the time.

There was plenty of objection to Pulis.

 

[Muttley]

I picked out the funny bit, have a look back.

He has made dreadful decisions for getting on 15 years.

Also the "dreadful decisions", that's just 20:20 hindsight. Most of the decisions could be understood at the time and were largely supported by most supporters when announced (probably with the exception of Agnew). Even the appointment of Gordon Strachan had a logic to it, an experienced manager with a decent record in management. Pullis ditto. Even the appointment of Woodgate. We don't know who the alternative appointees were, who was available, what they proposed, etc. So the fact that they didn't work out is meaningless who is to know if faced with the same candidates and limitations that WE wouldn't make the same appointments?

 

[Corco65]

My point is that despite the money he has invested, his last 15+ years have been terrible, he has failed.
That he has the club in the position where it is either him or liquidation is disastrous.

I honestly don’t care about his politics or his private life.
I don’t care how much he has spent on houses or pubs for houses; that’s up to him.
I hope Bulkhaul continues to thrive for its workforce not just him.
I hope a new owner would give him some of his money back.

I just wish he no longer controlled the club.

Terrible, I disagree, yes we have not been as good as before, but during these 15 years, we have been promoted, been in the play off's three times, just missed out on another two. We used tried and tested experienced managers, foreign managers, up and coming managers, new managers and club legends managers. We've paid big fees in an atrempt to get promotion and come through Covid, I think during this time we have only potentially been close to relegation once. Like I say It's not been as good as before and our expectations are higher, but terrible, I don't agree, we have given it a go on many occasions and its not been SG fault we just couldn't get over the line, however it's all about perspective and we obviously differ.

 

[indeedido]

Terrible, I disagree, yes we have not been as good as before, but during these 15 years, we have been promoted, been in the play off's three times, just missed out on another two. We used tried and tested experienced managers, foreign managers, up and coming managers, new managers and club legends managers. We've paid big fees in an atrempt to get promotion and come through Covid, I think during this time we have only potentially been close to relegation once. Like I say It's not been as good as before and our expectations are higher, but terrible, I don't agree, we have given it a go on many occasions and its not been SG fault, we just couldn't get over the line, however it's all about perspective and we obviously differ.

When you appoint every key position, when you make or approve every key decision, when you set every budget, when you sit as absolute ruler, then you are responsible and accountable.
He has absolute control, absolute power and has done for 30 years.
The last 15 have been appalling and have cost him a fortune.
Depressingly it will just carry on.

 

[fmttmadmin]

When you appoint every key position, when you make or approve every key decision, when you set every budget, when you sit as absolute ruler, then you are responsible and accountable.
He has absolute control, absolute power and has done for 30 years.
The last 15 have been appalling and have cost him a fortune.
Depressingly it will just carry on.

It is beginning to look as if you are not a fan of his work.

 

[Philly-Red]

dont get me wrong - the black dog is an horrific process for humans to go through, ive been there.

but i have to say, its the first time ive heard of a person getting depressed because of someone else legitimately spending their own money.

that particular dog will have to go in the black book.


i expect SG's lawyers are looking at your threads in some detail - post #109 "I know all too well what he is like, what his behaviours can be" - are you a disgruntled ex-employee who once managed his finance department ?

i'll say one thing for you, your consistent.

I hope you have the appropriate insurance to be dishing out dodgy legal advice. There’s nothing actionable in that post.

 

[indeedido]

dont get me wrong - the black dog is an horrific process for humans to go through, ive been there.

but i have to say, its the first time ive heard of a person getting depressed because of someone else legitimately spending their own money.

that particular dog will have to go in the black book.


i expect SG's lawyers are looking at your threads in some detail - post #109 "I know all too well what he is like, what his behaviours can be" - are you a disgruntled ex-employee who once managed his finance department ?

i'll say one thing for you, your consistent.

You carry on with this line JVM, quite a lot.
Steve Gibson's lawyers will be looking at this, that and the other with regards to me it seems.
OK....

I've never worked for Gibson in any capacity.
I never would.

I have met him personally and spoken to him at length. I do have personal experience of him, I have seen and heard his behaviour.
I'm not alone in my experiences. I know lots of others who have similar.

But (yet) again, my criticism is based on what he has done in absolute control of MFC for the past 15 years.
Not Bulkhaul, not political, not lifestyle. Just Boro since 2006.

I have a large Giant Schnauzer. He is of course black.
That is the only black dog (thankfully) I have in my life.

 

[Borokian1876]

We did not punch above our weight last season - punching above our weight would be challenging for the top 6 in the premier league. The club should be in the top league which historically it has been until the more recent under achieving period

Our fans consistently belittle the club I just don’t get it. Gibson does and it rubs off on the fans, we are somewhat seen as fans as a barnsley type club who’ve punched above our weight but across our history it’s absolutely anything but

 

[Borokian1876]

The money isn't really the issue with Gibson. His decision making has been shockingly poor for a long time and the way he runs his business is exploitative. It might be the norm for a football chairman to be exploitative but that rightly opens him up to scrutiny. We're in the position we are because of him and it's not a great position, it's below our long term average. We aren't punching above our weight at all. We're exactly where a single team town with a big catchment area with 150 years of history of being a 1st/2nd division side should be without even trying. We used to punch above our weight but now we're watching teams like Luton, Bournemouth, Brentford and Burnley etc playing regular PL football.

I used to think he was "one of us". A local lad done good but I'm now fairly certain that we are only there to provide him with the income to run his club the way he wants to. When was the last time he even spoke to the fans? When was the last time he made a decision that benefits fans or the area? He is completely out of touch charging top whack for everything and that's just football. It wasn't that long ago he was sending out letters of support for Conservative politicians etc. He's not one of us anymore.

The prices are ridiculous but he has too charge them, it’s the financial situation the clubs in. He has to scrape out every penny he can get out of the fans. We are at a loss every season, not our fault but hey ho. A lot of fans can’t grasp this is the clubs 2nd worse spell out the top flight 1 season in 15. Previous to that, was brilliant but he didn’t take over burton. He took over a club who was a parochial underachiever teesside is the 17th biggest area in England. We may not be a big city but we have a big area for fans and the lack of competition is vital for us too grow. The club always was capable of maintaining 30,000 plus no small clubs do that. Remember the fa cup QF against wolves and the commentator for wolves even said “ MFC and wolves are about as similiar sized as you’ll get but ones just cursed with luck” or something along them lines.