We Need a total lockdown

Well, your glass is either half full or half empty on this virus and the rules. I am taking the glass half empty approach as caution will ensure my chances of catching the virus or spreading it to loved ones is lower, although not eradicated obviously. Life is on hold to some degree, but I am happy with my choice. My trust and faith in fellow humans has been knocked severely though which has changed when and how I stick my masked head above the parapet. It wont change until a doctor sticks a needle in my arm that offers the protection we all need.
 
coluka said:
Vaccinating them. Vaccines are available to all, pop along to your chemist with between £7 to £14 and you can help yourself if you don’t meet the criteria for a free one.
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Vaccines for flu only work in around 20-40% of cases as it mutates each year. Shouldn’t we lockdown the country instead just in case?
 
Londons_Moggie said:
Vaccines for flu only work in around 20-40% of cases as it mutates each year. Shouldn’t we lockdown the country instead just in case?
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We don't know how many people are dying of the flu at the moment. As very few people get tested for the flu, we only really have excess deaths as the worldwide standard measure. That will be very difficult this year.

Flu vaccines are typically 30-70% effective. Usually towards the higher end. A figure is usually found in each annual flu survey.
 
Londons_Moggie said:
Vaccines for flu only work in around 20-40% of cases as it mutates each year. Shouldn’t we lockdown the country instead just in case?
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I am sure you know vaccines change each year too, as the flu virus changes. It helps give a degree of protectIon to a good portion of the vulnerable within our society year on year. One day if you reach old age or god forbid end up with a vulnerability in some way, you may question your current train of thought and would no doubt be grateful if people respected your wellbeing.
 
bear66 said:
We don't know how many people are dying of the flu at the moment. As very few people get tested for the flu, we only really have excess deaths as the worldwide standard measure. That will be very difficult this year.

Flu vaccines are typically 30-70% effective. Usually towards the higher end. A figure is usually found in each annual flu survey.
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It averages out at 40% effective. U can’t create a vaccine for a strain that you didn’t know about. Given the flu death rate we should close down the entire country as we will all die otherwise
 
coluka said:
I am sure you know vaccines change each year too, as the flu virus changes. It helps give a degree of protectIon to a good portion of the vulnerable within our society year on year. One day if you reach old age or god forbid end up with a vulnerability in some way, you may question your current train of thought and would no doubt be grateful if people respected your wellbeing.
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Im asthmatic so am entitled to a free one each year.
 
As long as you are happy to pay a lot more tax for my son to eat. I’m a aircraft engineer, I won’t work for years if I lose my job.
 
bear66 said:
That link shows nothing of the sort.

Middlesbrough and Bolton have similar test numbers but Boro less than a quarter of positive cases. See also Pendle, Corby, Blaby and Northampton. There is no correlation from that link.

Boro has had lower cases over the last few days, as has Stockton. Hartlepool wasn't looking too good till Wednesday but has had two lower days. Hopefully Teesside is getting over the peak in cases.
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No, and I suppose that the national graphs that show number of tests processed and number of positive cases with almost identical upward curves is just a coincidence.

It's pillar 2 tests that are showing up the increase in cases ... coincidentally as the number of pillar 2 tests being processed rises.
The graph for pillar 1 tests appears relatively stable ... maybe a small uptick, but that should be expected when you have kids going back to school and hospitality industries opened up.
 
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borolad259 said:
No, and I suppose that the national graphs that show number of tests processed and number of positive cases with almost identical upward curves is just a coincidence.

It's pillar 2 tests that are showing up the increase in cases ... coincidentally as the number of pillar 2 tests being processed rises.
The graph for pillar 1 tests appears relatively stable ... maybe a small uptick, but that should be expected when you have kids going back to school and hospitality industries opened up.
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As I said, no link at all. You're doing it again with the almost identical remark. There is no correlation based on that link. Even on a macro scale, the number of tests has doubled in 7 weeks but cases have gone up by a factor of 8. Even now, the demand for tests is 4 times higher than being achieved according to our testing Tsar. Demand is high because prevalence is high.

Pillars 1and 2 are combined now, and have been for some time, so we don't know the split.
 
Let's just hope that what happened in Sweden when they introduced mass testing in the community is mirrored here. They had a huge spike in cases (in June) but it was largely amongst a younger demographic and did not result in large numbers of hospital admissions or fatalities. Then, after a few weeks, the number of cases started to fall as well. Fingers crossed we have a similar result here.
 
borolad259 said:
Let's just hope that what happened in Sweden when they introduced mass testing in the community is mirrored here. They had a huge spike in cases (in June) but it was largely amongst a younger demographic and did not result in large numbers of hospital admissions or fatalities. Then, after a few weeks, the number of cases started to fall as well. Fingers crossed we have a similar result here.
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I've got a relative who has been living in Sweden for two months. He really is impressed with their discipline. If we social distanced as well as the Swedes we wouldn't have a problem. I don't see the same social ethos (possibly self preservation?) here.

Hopefully Teesside is on the wane from the last few days results.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I hope you're right, this week I've heard of more people that I know testing positive than at any other time. Coincidence please.
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Middlesbrough went through a peak, then R&C, then Stockton, then Hartlepool, but all tailed off by the end of the week.
 
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