Watching British democracy disappear in front of our eyes

And the sad thing is, we'll do nothing about it. The erosion started with the attack on local democracy in the late 70s and early 80s. We did nothing then, we'll do nothing now.
 
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Lottowyn said:
Having looked at the local news tonight it appears that some of our local representatives regard Coronavirus as a way to have a 7 to 8 months holiday, and not just with furlough cash but on full salary.
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This is the type of rubbish that we had spouted back in the 70s and 80s by right wing journos and repeated like here by those wanting to further erode democracy.

What it really looks like is a small group doing exactly what Rees Mogg is doing and try to restrict other groups from participating.
 
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All part of a big Cummings strategic distraction tactic. Pratty Patel will do the same today on quarantine arrangements which instead of saying we completely messed this up allowing millions into the country untested they will celebrate the chance to holiday abroad in the Summer. Mogg did this charade yesterday, we will then have pub and restaurants opening brought forward with no scientific evidence to support it so the Sun and Mail can have ‘happy holidays’ headlines. The full Tory party PR machine will seek to crush and ridicule dissenting voices in the coming days.
 
HarryVegas said:
A part of me wants it to be. I want people to take to the streets and scare the sh1te out of the UK's entitled, seemingly untouchable ruling classes. But as an auld b***r who's seen similar times before, few people win in a riot. People get hurt (or worse) and lives damaged - and it's rarely the haves. Mind, it was the poll tax riots that saw off Thatcher, so you never know.

But surely to Christ something has to give? I can't remember such normalisation of utterly shameless lying from the very top. When you get to this state, it's like encouraging widespread lawlessness.
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I agree with this. How long can we sit and watch the government p*ss all over the democracy people have died for?

How long can we let this authoritarian, anti constitutional, elitist government ruin the country?
 
How long can we let this authoritarian, anti constitutional, elitist government ruin the country?[/QUOTE]

Another 4 1/2 years I’m afraid . Huge majority the public gave them less than six months ago will prevent any vote of confidence being lost. We live in a democracy- we voted this government in so we live with the consequences. The only hope is next time people don’t believe the hype and misinformation and get carried on a wave of jingoism and lies.
 
Duffman said:
How long can we let this authoritarian, anti constitutional, elitist government ruin the country?
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Another 4 1/2 years I’m afraid . Huge majority the public gave them less than six months ago will prevent any vote of confidence being lost. We live in a democracy- we voted this government in so we live with the consequences. The only hope is next time people don’t believe the hype and misinformation and get carried on a wave of jingoism and lies.[/QUOTE]
We can't let this last another 4.5 years though. Imagine the destruction by then? I honestly can't believe they have so much support. Are people blind?
 
Unfortunately CtC you are right. Crashing out of the EU with no deal in place will be the final nail in the conservative coffin I hope. Without getting into an argument about brexit, a no deal with the EU is really a very bad outcome for both the common man and our economy.
 
Is Mogg advocating that MPs travel to their second homes in London so that they can attend parliament? That seems to fly in the face of current advice.
They’ll have to change the restrictions on staying away from your home pretty soon, that’ll mean hotels and holiday homes opening and everything going back to “normal” way too soon.
It’s a devilish plan which could have far wider consequences for the entire population.
 
Well the coronavirus bill was there for all to see and people ignored it and let them pass it.

Well unfortunately for those MP's now moaning about you had the chance to stop it even with the cons having a majority. So now you have to exist like the rest of us are currently.
 
Apparently. 74% of Tory MPs (269 of 365) were able to vote yesterday but only 65% of Labour MPs (131 of 202) and only 17% (8 of 48) of SNP MPs.

Don't know why at the moment, but certainly try and find out why
 
The whole thing is a disgrace and discriminated against MP's who cannot attend in person due to the governments own guidelines.
 
steve baker called it a farce, then voted for it. they are just taking the **** whilst thousands needlessly die
 
What do you expect from the same government that brought you nearly six months of shenanigans such as abusing the pairing system, prorogation and vote after vote to push through/hold back the Withdrawal Deal?

Rees Mogg probably sees himself as some great Parliamentarian and guardian of the traditions, but he's just the school nark.

It's public school "Headmaster has given us control of the debating hall ner ner ner" chicanery, and I know it is also about stacking the chips in the favour of the government for some tough tests over the next three months.
 
RandySavage said:
Well the coronavirus bill was there for all to see and people ignored it and let them pass it.

Well unfortunately for those MP's now moaning about you had the chance to stop it even with the cons having a majority. So now you have to exist like the rest of us are currently.
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Randy, whilst I agree with your sentiment, the coronavirus bill was an emergency bill and as such did not go through the usual debates and scrutiny that would happen in more normal times. This is probably why it was allowed to pass.

The voting system will eventually be overturned in court as it is unconstitutional as it disenfranchises any citizen who's MP cannot attend as they are self-isolating for example.

If just one of the MP's queueing yesterday comes down with symptoms, whole swathes of government will then have to self-isolate and have their constituents go without a representative in parliament.

i am not sure what the machinations behind this are, but it is seriously f*cked up
 
Laughing said:
Randy, whilst I agree with your sentiment, the coronavirus bill was an emergency bill and as such did not go through the usual debates and scrutiny that would happen in more normal times. This is probably why it was allowed to pass.

The voting system will eventually be overturned in court as it is unconstitutional as it disenfranchises any citizen who's MP cannot attend as they are self-isolating for example.

If just one of the MP's queueing yesterday comes down with symptoms, whole swathes of government will then have to self-isolate and have their constituents go without a representative in parliament.

i am not sure what the machinations behind this are, but it is seriously f*cked up
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Why is an emergency bill requiring 2 years of laws and restrictions? Why is it reviewed every 6 months instead of 4 weeks?
Hancock has already illegally moved the goalposts with regards to lockdown review from 21 days to 28 days without a motion in parliament.
This government looks more and more like a certain government that Germany had about 70 years ago.
 
I don't disagree Randy, I am pointing out why the corona virus bill was passed without the usual scrutiny. I posted on anotrher thread how appalled i was at the legislation and it's ability to be renewed without going before the house.
 
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