Warnock win percentage

Smoggle said:
Don’t think I’ve ever noticed that, if anything Hignett seems to get more stick when these debates pop up.

Anyway Karanka was great, best manager in ages, but it’s perfectly reasonable to criticise the Prem season under him and also question his attitude and temperament (Higgy’s too for that matter), which seemed to rub a few up the wrong way - that’s all fine when results are good but when they turn you often have less support than you might think, just like with Mourinho.

Back to the point of the thread, I’m not too worried about this season, it’s not like we’ve had a catastrophic start and things can change rapidly if we hit some form, far too early to predict when we’ve still got players to come in. If we’re struggling towards Christmas then I’ll start questioning Warnock, if we’re around mid-table I’ll be hoping he can get some momentum, if we’re higher then it’s happy days!
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Agree with most of this and not worried about this season either per se, but equally not particularly excited by it. Just don't really see the point of limping through a meh season with Warnock if as you've said hes going anyway, signing players he wants to fit a system and style he wants to play only for someone totally new to come in guaranteed at the end of the season and potentially rip it all up.
 
WeeGord said:
Absolutely superb record and can't see it being matched or beaten any time soon.
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Probably not, no, he was excellent for us in the Championship.

But it's not actually the best win percentage for one of our managers in the second division.

Jack Charlton's 2nd tier win record was 64.29%, though obviously that's a sample of 42 games compared to 116.

Bryan Robson had 54.34% from 92 games.
 
MBBoro said:
Agree with most of this and not worried about this season either per se, but equally not particularly excited by it. Just don't really see the point of limping through a meh season with Warnock if as you've said hes going anyway, signing players he wants to fit a system and style he wants to play only for someone totally new to come in guaranteed at the end of the season and potentially rip it all up.
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I accept all that, I’m not particularly excited either but things could change quickly if these new signings are half decent and things click. I just hope we have a plan in place for when he leaves and the players we’re signing (both NW’s and others if it’s true he’s not in all of them) are consistent with that. We’ve spent too long going from one style revolution to another and it’s been painful to watch at times.
 
I'm not in the Warnock camp out by any means, and I was really in favour of us bringing him in based on his record, but how a lot of fans find him immune to criticism really confuses me. There has been so many performances that are as bad (if not worse) than anything served up under Pulis/Monk, and the fact that he always has somebody else to blame for things going wrong doesn't sit right with me.
 
Although I was only young I recall the Charlton team of 73/74 and at the time they said we were boring to watch. And yet we went up with a record number points and only two points a win in those days. Southern biased press as usual, UTB
 
MBBoro said:
Karanka - 47%
Monk - 46%
Pulis - 44%
Warnock - 40%

Clearly a drop off in results, and 40% gets you nowhere near playoffs, so can you see a significant upturn under him? Been in charge for 60 games now compared to Pulis' 80 so not like hes not had time to shape the squad and get his message across.

Do we need to start asking questions now or stick with it in the hope it somehow gets better when we seem to be getting worse regardless of who we sign?
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I prefer a points ratio than a win % because the team with the most points goes up, not necessarily the team with the most wins.
 
BoroMart said:
I prefer a points ratio than a win % because the team with the most points goes up, not necessarily the team with the most wins.
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Karanka: 189 points out of 339. 55.75% of the possible points.

Monk: 35 out of 69, 50.73%.

Pulis: 111 out of 204, 54.41%.

Woodgate: 41 out of 114, 39.97%.

Warnock: 81 out of 174, 46.55%
 
Though you could argue the 1-1 Bournemouth game shouldn't be included in Warnock's tally as he wasn't there.

But that actually increases his points percentage slightly.

The same with Karanka and the Charlton debacle.
 
TeaCider said:
Karanka: 189 points out of 339. 55.75% of the possible points.

Monk: 35 out of 69, 50.73%.

Pulis: 111 out of 204, 54.41%.

Woodgate: 41 out of 114, 39.97%.

Warnock: 81 out of 174, 46.55%
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Warnock is well down then, although for fairness I would mitigate that he is cleaning up some of the Pulis/Monk mess.

Pulis points is surprisingly high, turgid football but almost enough to get us up. If we had brought Pulis in, instead of Monk, I think he would have comfortably got us promoted because he wouldn't have signed Britt, Fletcher, Braithsnake etc. but players that fitted his style....Richard Osman at CF, Andre the giant and Jeff Goldblum at CB and in the box for corners, Greg Davies and Peter Meyhew at FBs, Richard Kiel in goal, and of course Shaquille O'Neill and The Rock as midfield enforcers. Give the ball to Traore, and let the big men nod it in, Pulisball to the premier league.

I would think that this summer, regardless what league we are in, with our new DoF, and scouting network (he's bringing a bunch of people from Norwich), then the time is right to change, get a tactical manager (because Warnock is tactically naive), get a solid passing and entertaining football philosophy running through the club from youth to first team, getting a scouting network for U23s mainly and move on from there.

I think Warnocks aversion to foreign players, is partly fear. They are used to more tactical instructions and call out his naivity. He succeeds when he has players of limited technical/tactical ability and gets them to play as a team, with simple tactics, and simple instructions. Players that do the basics and stick to simple behaviours, can flourish in that....but players that are more tactical, think in units, set traps for the opposition, struggle with what is effectively lowest common denominator football. Give him a player, who likes to create space with 3rd man runs, and one touch between the lines, and he doesn't know how to get the team to work to exploit that.
 
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When you think of the fire power and creativity Karanka had in the squad, it doesn't surprise me. Even a Tomlin would do at the minute, never mind a Bamford, Stuani, Adomah, Nugent or Ramirez!
 
Michael_Vronsky said:
When you think of the fire power and creativity Karanka had in the squad, it doesn't surprise me. Even a Tomlin would do at the minute, never mind a Bamford, Stuani, Adomah, Nugent or Ramirez!
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true, the awful recruitment of the last 5 years has certainly played a major part in where we are. I mean case in point Woodgate; Boro win % 22%, Bournemouth 57%...why, better players because they recruited better.
 
BoroMart said:
Since the end of the Jan transfer window:

P: 26
W: 8
D: 6
L: 12
F: 31
A: 40
GD: -9
PTS: 30

Bottom 8 form
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Cheers BM, about what I expected and I don't think we won many in January either after our purple patch over Christmas.

So maybe 10 wins in 30 odd from the the start of January including the cup loses to Brentford and Blackpool.

Grim.
 
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