Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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Is this just a general moaning thread? My back hurts. It's too cold.
Even when things were running in our favour (mid 90s to noughties) and we achieved great success we never seemed particularly well run......the prime example being the three points saga, but also the money we must have spent to attract such as Boksic, Karambeau etc....and still struggle in the bottom half of the premier league!It’s not something new regarding the running of the club. I - and others- have cited over the years how poorly we have been ran as a club. Financially we seem to be the creator of a lot of our problems.
our so- called academy has lads who appear to stop developing before they are capable of stepping up to the first team - Fry being a notableven exception.
maybe the hierarchy are simply not up to running a professional football club? Harsh, perhaps but we very rarely make significant progress and when we did get promoted we made a right hash of it. Parachute money squandered we very rarely have a cohesive plan
The best decisions transfer wise were made under Tony Mowbray. I think the biggest successes under Karanka came from the Chelsea loan players. Into the prem we made some massive errors. Too many gambles, too many short term gains. Then of course under Monk with the league smashing £50m money burning exercise.. Tony Pulis continuing the wasteful spending. Bola, Ditksteel & Browne were a step in the right direction. Under Warnock it’s only really been missing out on a decent striker.The decisions are the club since Aitor left have been nothing but a disgrace.
We've never learned neither. We blasted the best part of £50m on rubbish under Monk. You'd think we would have smartened up after that, but then comes along Pulis who is happy to tell us all there's problems behind the scenes and proceeds to blast £20m on players we didn't need or he refused to use.
Our decision making in general has been shocking for a good number of years now.
I don't think its any surprise that this kind of stuff is coming out in the middle of a poor run of form. Deflection tacktics at their best.
We surely can't be blaming our recruitment team for the signings this season, most of them NW has said were his first choice. I don't think any of them have been particularly great.
I'd argue he kept Southgate too long in the Premier League but then having kept the faith, pulled the trigger far too early the following season.Changing managers yearly doesn't help. I can't think of a single club where that has worked. ...
Since the sacking of Karanka, Gibson has gone from giving managers time to dumping them very early. Karanka shoudl have been left in charge, even if we got relegated, which was no certainty. Monk and Pulis should never have been appointed, in my opinion. Not sure about Woodgate.
I don’t think it’s thatI think the club has an inferiority complex.
you may be right, I have a few comments. Karanka probably should have been supported by the club, not financially, but to find the balance he needed to be able to do his job. If required get someone else in he trusts to do the micro managing.I'd argue he kept Southgate too long in the Premier League but then having kept the faith, pulled the trigger far too early the following season.
Less said about Strachan the better, at least he didn't dwell on it.
Mowbray had plateaued.
Karanka had gone mad trying to micro-manage everything & removing him from the firing line was the right thing to do. Not replacing him was idiotic.
Monk, see Strachan.
Relatively Pulis was got rid of early. Historically if you last a season under Gibson you get c.3 years & 150+ games, Pulis got 80
Woodgate, see Strachan.
Warnock, get the impression he is here for as long as he wants not the other way round.
I know what you mean, but what I was really getting at was the huge transfer fees and generous salaries we seem to have no hesitation in paying. Maybe we are continually being mugged in broad daylight, or think "no-one will come here" I don't really know but when you think of the genuine flops we've had for big big money (Alves?) you have to wonder.I don’t think it’s that
I think we are far far too parochial and sadly locality trumps expertise and knowledge look at the appointment of woody we all knew it was inevitable yet the club denied that he’d get it and that we were scouting the best candidates etc we all know the reality.
Plenty of other clubs in the same boat though. Most northern clubs probably.should have said in my initial post, nothing I said was a criticism of NW. I think he's doing about as well as I could have hoped this season, I don't think we're one of the best 6 teams in the championship and us being in and around 6th is a great effort.
There's just a habit of our recruitment team being bashed consistently on this board and nobody even knows what signings are down to the recruitment team and which ones are down to managers. It seems the good ones are down to the managers and the crap ones are down to recruitment.
This season though its clearly down to Warnock and they've been as average as any other period of recruitment we've had. The only particularly bad one was following karanka after relegation - but I'd have never had monk in a million years anyway and again I think that's down to the manager more than the recruitment team.
Finally when it comes to what we pay for players - of course we pay over the odds for certain players, we've got too to get them to come. It really baffles me that Pulis and Warnock have found that concept so hard to get their heads round. If you're a player without any links to the area I'm not having any of them have middlesbrough on their radar for a place they'd love to move too, so the only way you convince them to come is by paying them more. Money has traditionally (well in the gibson era at least) has given us our competitive edge, we don't have that these days and we're struggling to adapt.
Oh yes I agree with that but the biggest thing for me is not appointing a manager already in another job this naive in the extreme this moral compass that no one else in the game does.I know what you mean, but what I was really getting at was the huge transfer fees and generous salaries we seem to have no hesitation in paying. Maybe we are continually being mugged in broad daylight, or think "no-one will come here" I don't really know but when you think of the genuine flops we've had for big big money (Alves?) you have to wonder.