Warnock - 'a few things wrong at the club'

Pulis said exactly the same. Then again he then went and spent 21mil and paid massive loan fees for Hugill and probably a few quid on Besic.

I think its been the recruitment and wage structure. We simply shouldn't be paying players 20-30k a week (+). It's not healthy for the club.

I think a lot stems back to Monk blowing over 50mil. We still have some of those players and they've probably restricted us in terms of transfers. They ain't good enough but no fecker can sign them as we pay so well.

To think we paid best part of 30mil for Braithwaite / Fletcher and Britt. We moved Braithwaite on for less than half and the others leave for nothing. It's hard to remember us consistently buying low and selling high (that the model you need).

We also saw Clayton / Ayala / George leave for nothing. Why didn't we cash in on them 18 months ago if we knew we couldn't match the current contracts? Again its simply because no fecker could pay them. Why would they leave?

Rudy left for nothing.... Again 6mil down the drain. Downing nothing.

We must be hemeraging cash. Just buy players for a fortune and let them leave for nothing. How much would we get for Saville? 1-2mil at best (didn't Warnock say he offered 2mil when at Cardiff? Why did we pay 7🙄)

We have paid some frankly bizzare fees. The gaffer said the other week that Steve should have phoned him about a few players. He would have said 'don't touch with a barge pole'.... Interesting.

Also damming when he said 'Britts agent deserves a pat on the back'.
 
S7DiscoDown said:
Pulis said exactly the same. Then again he then went and spent 21mil and paid massive loan fees for Hugill and probably a few quid on Besic.

I think its been the recruitment and wage structure. We simply shouldn't be paying players 20-30k a week (+). It's not healthy for the club.

I think a lot stems back to Monk blowing over 50mil. We still have some of those players and they've probably restricted us in terms of transfers. They ain't good enough but no fecker can sign them as we pay so well.

To think we paid best part of 30mil for Braithwaite / Fletcher and Britt. We moved Braithwaite on for less than half and the others leave for nothing. It's hard to remember us consistently buying low and selling high (that the model you need).

We also saw Clayton / Ayala / George leave for nothing. Why didn't we cash in on them 18 months ago if we knew we couldn't match the current contracts? Again its simply because no fecker could pay them. Why would they leave?

Rudy left for nothing.... Again 6mil down the drain. Downing nothing.

We must be hemeraging cash. Just buy players for a fortune and let them leave for nothing. How much would we get for Saville? 1-2mil at best (didn't Warnock say he offered 2mil when at Cardiff? Why did we pay 7🙄)

We have paid some frankly bizzare fees. The gaffer said the other week that Steve should have phoned him about a few players. He would have said 'don't touch with a barge pole'.... Interesting.

Also damming when he said 'Britts agent deserves a pat on the back'.
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Hugill and Besic where our recruitment teams buys! so he was right. We've wanted both players for a few years now........ Warnock is clearly demanding his own players.
 
I think throwing massive contracts at bang average players is one of the areas he was talking about. Signing the likes of Assombalonga for silly money and giving him £40k odd per week has crippled the club.
 
Don't all incoming managers say similar things though. The teams not fit enough, the recruitment isn't very good. It is a standard media soudbite to make the managers job look difficult.

If our recruitment is bad, signing Akpom didn't help, making Assombalonga captain was odd too.

Monk and Pulis made some bad signings that is absoloutely true paying over the odds. Assombalonga probably wasn't a bad signing, just seems that way after the fact as he has been generally poor. Some of the others though, beggars belief.

I am not so sure it is the scouting, Woodgate generally bought well with limited funds.
 
Everyone who comes in from the outside tells us this, but Sir Steve always seems to know better?
 
S7DiscoDown said:
Pulis said exactly the same. Then again he then went and spent 21mil and paid massive loan fees for Hugill and probably a few quid on Besic.

I think its been the recruitment and wage structure. We simply shouldn't be paying players 20-30k a week (+). It's not healthy for the club.

I think a lot stems back to Monk blowing over 50mil. We still have some of those players and they've probably restricted us in terms of transfers. They ain't good enough but no fecker can sign them as we pay so well.

To think we paid best part of 30mil for Braithwaite / Fletcher and Britt. We moved Braithwaite on for less than half and the others leave for nothing. It's hard to remember us consistently buying low and selling high (that the model you need).

We also saw Clayton / Ayala / George leave for nothing. Why didn't we cash in on them 18 months ago if we knew we couldn't match the current contracts? Again its simply because no fecker could pay them. Why would they leave?

Rudy left for nothing.... Again 6mil down the drain. Downing nothing.

We must be hemeraging cash. Just buy players for a fortune and let them leave for nothing. How much would we get for Saville? 1-2mil at best (didn't Warnock say he offered 2mil when at Cardiff? Why did we pay 7🙄)

We have paid some frankly bizzare fees. The gaffer said the other week that Steve should have phoned him about a few players. He would have said 'don't touch with a barge pole'.... Interesting.

Also damming when he said 'Britts agent deserves a pat on the back'.
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Agree with everything here. We paid way too much for Fletcher, Saville, Flint and some others, and we consistently let players go for free or at a massive loss.

I work with a Millwall fan and he reckons that apparently our opening bid was something like 7m for Saville and another player (I can't remember... perhaps Wallace?) Anyway he said that he was rubbing his eyes in disbelief a few days later when it emerged that we'd paid 8m for just Saville.
 
One or two things need putting right? We are almost being invited to guess what they are. Such fun. In the hope there is a prize for the right answer, here goes:

Is it the squad?

The leadership and direction of the club?

Is it the selection of Team Managers, present manager excepted presumably?

Is it the chopping and changing of team managers?

Is it the succession of managers who have insisted 10 players have defensive duties while one can attack and then wonder why we don’t score goals?

Can’t wait for the prize.
 
Changing managers yearly doesn't help. I can't think of a single club where that has worked. I know that you wouldn't change all the time if you were doing well, so I am looking at failures generally.

However look at some managers who took a while, Ferguson at Man Utd, McLaren at Middlesbrough, he lost his first 4 games as I recall and was under intermittent pressure from fans his entire tenure. Even Gaurdiola had a pretty awful first season at Man City, didn't he go about 10 games without a win after topping the league early in the season. A season he spent a lot of money and won nothing.

Managers need time, if you swap managers every season you are starting from scratch. Didn't the most successful Liverpool team always promote from within so they were not performing a root and branch reshuffle with every appointment.

Since the sacking of Karanka, Gibson has gone from giving managers time to dumping them very early. Karanka shoudl have been left in charge, even if we got relegated, which was no certainty. Monk and Pulis should never have been appointed, in my opinion. Not sure about Woodgate.
 
Warnock said a while back that he was shown defensive targets who just can’t defend. It was all based on stats.

Wages should be getting better, especially once Brit leaves, but the damage will take some repair.
 
The way the club is run is embarrassing at times. Who is signing off on some of these deals?

Rarely gets mentioned but Guedioura? It'd have been the same result if Gibson had just taken £3.5m and flushed it down the toilet. There's clearly been a massive lack of due diligence done on some of our signings.

We actually seem to do better when we're skint. Our best players, by and large, in the last 10 years have been signed for relative peanuts. When we have money to spend it's like kids in a sweet shop.

Monk had Assombalonga, Bamford, Gestede and Braithwaite. Turned down an offer for Gestede and someone still allowed him to then go out and blow £7m on Ashley Fletcher. It's insane.
 
festa5 said:
The way the club is run is embarrassing at times. Who is signing off on some of these deals?

Rarely gets mentioned but Guedioura? It'd have been the same result if Gibson had just taken £3.5m and flushed it down the toilet. There's clearly been a massive lack of due diligence done on some of our signings.

We actually seem to do better when we're skint. Our best players, by and large, in the last 10 years have been signed for relative peanuts. When we have money to spend it's like kids in a sweet shop.

Monk had Assombalonga, Bamford, Gestede and Braithwaite. Turned down an offer for Gestede and someone still allowed him to then go out and blow £7m on Ashley Fletcher. It's insane.
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People often say Gestede is the worst signing in our history, but it's Guedioura for me.

£3.5m for a 31 year old player that we didn't need, who barely played and who then vanished off the face of the Earth for over 6 months.

He then had his contract ripped up exactly a year after signing, having contributed nothing.

At least Gestede scored a handful of goals and won us a few games.
 
Boro_Legend said:
One or two things need putting right? We are almost being invited to guess what they are. Such fun. In the hope there is a prize for the right answer, here goes:

Is it the squad?

The leadership and direction of the club?

Is it the selection of Team Managers, present manager excepted presumably?

Is it the chopping and changing of team managers?

Is it the succession of managers who have insisted 10 players have defensive duties while one can attack and then wonder why we don’t score goals?

Can’t wait for the prize.
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Fair play. Your English has drastically improved. Must’ve been working hard. Good work!!
 
It’s not something new regarding the running of the club. I - and others- have cited over the years how poorly we have been ran as a club. Financially we seem to be the creator of a lot of our problems.

our so- called academy has lads who appear to stop developing before they are capable of stepping up to the first team - Fry being a notable exception.

maybe the hierarchy are simply not up to running a professional football club? Harsh, perhaps but we very rarely make significant progress and when we did get promoted we made a right hash of it. Parachute money squandered we very rarely have a cohesive plan
 
Guedioura is a very strange one. Clearly he was a Karanka project because he snapped him up for Forest when we let him go, and he played 38 games, 2 goals in a season and a bit for them which you'd take from Jonny Howson. I assume Agnew basically told him to b***r off.

The end of this season should see us finally flush the toilet on the Monk experiment. Britt and Fletcher will surely go for nothing, unless they take immense pay cuts. That's wehere we're at - we can't get any return on either of them. I wouldn't know who the highest paid player would be then - McNair, Saville? I assume that will not make that much difference though. If we were bounding along at the top of an economic wave it would free the money up to do something else with, but I think it'll likely just go back into the running costs in these days.

We could do with a year in the Prem but not spend any money whatsoever. Certainly don't waste it on the likes of Viktor Fischer. Balance the books and start again.
 
Ironops said:
Recruitment and the way we do deals?

Didnt Pulis say the same thing a few years ago?
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Spending 2-5 times market value.. letting player leave for nowt. With the money that we’ve had and spent on players I would think the recruitment team would be first to go. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a shake up with the academy too. Players needing to go out on loan rather than racking up wins for the U23s.. something about family members getting involved in players needing to starts etc.. wouldn’t have it at on U7 level let alone a championship club wanting promotion.
 
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