Warnock ‘ We have got what we have got’

I'd like a manager who takes ownership of the situation, it's nearly as bad as when Pulis presented himself as doing some high level review, rather than actually being directly responsible for the results
Yes, the squad isn't great, but it's capable of better than we're doing.
This is the championship. Most squads are a bit of a mix of quality, Warnock needs to be finding a system that works and drilling in some belief and intensity. If he's not capable of working with what he's got then he needs to walk away.
 
wilkos_perm said:
I'd like a manager who takes ownership of the situation, it's nearly as bad as when Pulis presented himself as doing some high level review, rather than actually being directly responsible for the results
Yes, the squad isn't great, but it's capable of better than we're doing.
This is the championship. Most squads are a bit of a mix of quality, Warnock needs to be finding a system that works and drilling in some belief and intensity. If he's not capable of working with what he's got then he needs to walk away.
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The only bit I disagree with is, I think we have a decent squad, a much better squad than Warnock and co. are used to dealing with, they are literally, technically out of their depth.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
Yeah, tell the Red Faction that, bizarrely they still keep chanting his name, strange one.
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Not that strange in my opinion

In the stands I`m fully behind the team and that will include the manager

Away from it I can be critical to the point where I want a change

Don`t get me wrong though, even though I`m fully supportive in the stands, I still hang my head in disbelief when things go awry, but I`m up again in an instant trying to get them back in to the game the only real way I can
 
boroboy6872 said:
Not that strange in my opinion

In the stands I`m fully behind the team and that will include the manager

Away from it I can be critical to the point where I want a change

Don`t get me wrong though, even though I`m fully supportive in the stands, I still hang my head in disbelief when things go awry, but I`m up again in an instant trying to get them back in to the game the only real way I can
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Yes but it is sending out the wrong message, I am not saying chant anti Warnock chants but just not supportive ones.
 
Glover_elbow said:
He has adapted the style of play even from last season when we more organised but played less football.

The manager can only do so much with the players he's got. Imagine how successful karanka would have been for us if he had no leadbitter or Clayton as holding midfielders but howson and mcnair or howson and jls as his only holding options. It wouldn't have worked. He can't turn water into wine and turn a 32 year old Johnny howson into a defensive mid that's never been his game and we have no other options there. So the question has to then be asked why was no replacement for morsey or even Saville signed. I don't believe for an instant he would have said its OK Steve Johnny can play there all season by himself we don't need anybody. The players we have signed on the whole I am extremely positive about but the recruitment team dropped an almighty ******* by not replacing morsey and loaning spence
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He is the manager and had ample opportunity to address these positions and others that needed filling.
 
Glover_elbow said:
He has adapted the style of play even from last season when we more organised but played less football.

The manager can only do so much with the players he's got. Imagine how successful karanka would have been for us if he had no leadbitter or Clayton as holding midfielders but howson and mcnair or howson and jls as his only holding options. It wouldn't have worked. He can't turn water into wine and turn a 32 year old Johnny howson into a defensive mid that's never been his game and we have no other options there. So the question has to then be asked why was no replacement for morsey or even Saville signed. I don't believe for an instant he would have said its OK Steve Johnny can play there all season by himself we don't need anybody. The players we have signed on the whole I am extremely positive about but the recruitment team dropped an almighty ******* by not replacing morsey and loaning spence
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Or we play to our stengths and utilise the players weve got. Instead hes playing favourites like Howson. Doesnt matter where he plays, hes a liability. Problem isnt not having a holding midfielder, its not having a game plan any better than boot it and flood the midfield.
 
You could probably free up Howson and let him play as a more traditional No8 and he'd be much better for it. He's always been a box-to-box type. Warnock is asking him to play as a holding midfielder, someone who sits and reads the game and keeps it simple and stays in position, and it looks alien to him. He's presumably being asked to do it because he's a good pro who puts the team first. I think he's been out of form for ages, as has McNair. Fry has dropped off as well. And Hall. Those are supposed to be senior players for us. When there are so many seniors out of form then that's when you ask questions and that's where we are at the moment. I don't think this manager is getting the best out of them any more, I think they've stopped playing for him unfortunately.
 
the_holgate_roof said:
Yes but it is sending out the wrong message, I am not saying chant anti Warnock chants but just not supportive ones.
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I hear ya

Remember the same under Strachan, supportive until collectively acknowledged that his position as manager was untenable

Not speaking for Red Faction but I guess they will continue as they always have done until the man who actually hires and fires makes that decision, they also may over the coming weeks tone down chants in favour of the manager but I think it unlikely

Each to their own though
 
Ted_DN38416 said:
............. Problem isnt not having a holding midfielder.............
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That's precisely the problem. We haven't got a single midfielder capable of doing the dirty work, scrapping, getting a foot in and breaking down opposition moves. This the Champo, you've got to have a bit of bite, we've got none.
 
newyddion said:
I think Warnock would rather have had:


Pelly Ruddock over Payero

Jamie McGrath over JLS

Ciaron Brown over Coulson

Kean Bryan over Spence

Not sure who he wanted over Sporar., but I bet we missed out when we were chasing Muniz.
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Jamie McGrath was decent today v Aberdeen 👍🏻
Warnock has built this squad, he can't complain, we could all see the missing links as it was happening, Coulson and Spence going out without being replaced was criminal.
Payero and Siliki are not improvements on Morsy and Saville as yet,and expecting young lads to adapt to a new league instantly was a huge risk, Howson can't do the role any better than them, so the weakness was there and not plugged.
We wanted the Luton lad, so should have had an alternative similar player lined up when he stayed with them.
Bamba and Peltier should not have been signed, they are too old.
Olusanya looks like a national league player, out of his depth .
Not signing a left back / LCH was criminal, the gap was there needing to be filled.
Playing left footed Tav at right back, and right footed Peltier at left back is down right bad management from Warnock and his assistants.
Excuses are looking very very thin from NW, we are a squad going through the motions, with no leaders on or off the pitch.
NW said we lacked leaders last season, but he didn't sign any , although he did sign 12 players, so why did he not prioritise a captain and leader?
 
Simply red said:
Jamie McGrath was decent today v Aberdeen 👍🏻
Warnock has built this squad, he can't complain, we could all see the missing links as it was happening, Coulson and Spence going out without being replaced was criminal.
Payero and Siliki are not improvements on Morsy and Saville as yet,and expecting young lads to adapt to a new league instantly was a huge risk, Howson can't do the role any better than them, so the weakness was there and not plugged.
We wanted the Luton lad, so should have had an alternative similar player lined up when he stayed with them.
Bamba and Peltier should not have been signed, they are too old.
Olusanya looks like a national league player, out of his depth .
Not signing a left back / LCH was criminal, the gap was there needing to be filled.
Playing left footed Tav at right back, and right footed Peltier at left back is down right bad management from Warnock and his assistants.
Excuses are looking very very thin from NW, we are a squad going through the motions, with no leaders on or off the pitch.
NW said we lacked leaders last season, but he didn't sign any , although he did sign 12 players, so why did he not prioritise a captain and leader?
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Spence & Coulson over Peltier & Bamba
Morsy & Saville over Payero & Siliki


should we not be seeing more leadership from the likes of Bamba and Peltier?

Olusanya looks like he was brought in to cover for the loss of Ameobi.. Jones looks like he's taken up that role quite well and we have Browne still to come back.

the lack of a back up to Bola is extremely alarming, but shouldn't be the reason we see our entire season collapse.

Payero, Silik & Sporar will take time to adapt and get upto speed.. is it a bridge to far? are we seeing the same happen as when Young was replaced by Hoyte? it's far to early to tell imo.
 
I've heard whispers of folks behind the scenes being critical of our lack of movement relating to the Mpanzu deal. Same with McGrath being sent home on deadline day. Was Warnock annoyed with the resources that were used to bring in Payero... I believe he was critical of the time spent on Muniz meaning we missed out on someone else.. but at the same time it was warnock who didn't want us to move for him in January when we had the chance.

What was the deal with Ciaron Brown? Mick McCarthy said we weren't getting him for how much we'd offered. Similar with Kean Bryan perhaps?
 
newyddion said:
Spence & Coulson over Peltier & Bamba
Morsy & Saville over Payero & Siliki


should we not be seeing more leadership from the likes of Bamba and Peltier?

Olusanya looks like he was brought in to cover for the loss of Ameobi.. Jones looks like he's taken up that role quite well and we have Browne still to come back.

the lack of a back up to Bola is extremely alarming, but shouldn't be the reason we see our entire season collapse.

Payero, Silik & Sporar will take time to adapt and get upto speed.. is it a bridge to far? are we seeing the same happen as when Young was replaced by Hoyte? it's far to early to tell imo.
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Leaders / Captains are the 1st name on a team sheet , Bamba and Peltier were that years ago , but due to age , neither can play every week , or can realistically justify being picked as starters, so neither fit the bill .
No good having leaders in the stand watching , you need them fighting the battles on the pitch , and bollocking anyone not doing their job .
Leadbitter , Mogga , Robson , Mustoe ,- leaders .
 
newyddion said:
I've heard whispers of folks behind the scenes being critical of our lack of movement relating to the Mpanzu deal. Same with McGrath being sent home on deadline day. Was Warnock annoyed with the resources that were used to bring in Payero... I believe he was critical of the time spent on Muniz meaning we missed out on someone else.. but at the same time it was warnock who didn't want us to move for him in January when we had the chance.

What was the deal with Ciaron Brown? Mick McCarthy said we weren't getting him for how much we'd offered. Similar with Kean Bryan perhaps?
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McGrath wasn’t the one sent away on deadline day. He was on international duty and Alan Nixon confirmed it was a different player he was on about
 
asredastheycome said:
He is the manager and had ample opportunity to address these positions and others that needed filling.
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I don't believe Warnock is having the final say in who comes in or gets sold.
Simply red said:
Jamie McGrath was decent today v Aberdeen 👍🏻
Warnock has built this squad, he can't complain, we could all see the missing links as it was happening, Coulson and Spence going out without being replaced was criminal.
Payero and Siliki are not improvements on Morsy and Saville as yet,and expecting young lads to adapt to a new league instantly was a huge risk, Howson can't do the role any better than them, so the weakness was there and not plugged.
We wanted the Luton lad, so should have had an alternative similar player lined up when he stayed with them.
Bamba and Peltier should not have been signed, they are too old.
Olusanya looks like a national league player, out of his depth .
Not signing a left back / LCH was criminal, the gap was there needing to be filled.
Playing left footed Tav at right back, and right footed Peltier at left back is down right bad management from Warnock and his assistants.
Excuses are looking very very thin from NW, we are a squad going through the motions, with no leaders on or off the pitch.
NW said we lacked leaders last season, but he didn't sign any , although he did sign 12 players, so why did he not prioritise a captain and leader?
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He didn't sign them the recruitment team did. There's no way in the world untried Payero and Siliki were Warnocks choices I am sure he would preferred morsey and Saville to stay over those two.
 
Simply red said:
Leaders / Captains are the 1st name on a team sheet , Bamba and Peltier were that years ago , but due to age , neither can play every week , or can realistically justify being picked as starters, so neither fit the bill .
No good having leaders in the stand watching , you need them fighting the battles on the pitch , and bollocking anyone not doing their job .
Leadbitter , Mogga , Robson , Mustoe ,- leaders .
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CHAMPIONSHIP CAPTAINS

Wasn't Howson captain at Norwich and Grant Hall captain at QPR? Dael Fry has been our captain before? Paddy McNair too.

Is it that they just don't fancy it or they're just too soft?

Payero looks like he's got it in him..
 
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